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    Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Maryn
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      @Maryn atm not sure. I will come back with test results. Dont want to give false hopes.

      In theory GPS + GLO = Better and have not seen anything strage tbh

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      • MarynM Offline
        Maryn Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos ok, understood but better than GPS standalone? 🙂

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        • EgikaE Offline
          Egika Platinum Member
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          ist there a good website that shows satellite coverage with the various systems and for a selectable region?

          Thx!

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          • freeheelerF Offline
            freeheeler @Egika
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            @Egika
            yes there is, I remember that either @isazi or @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos has posted a phone app that shows live satellites of the famous (of not all?) systems…
            BUT I’ve searched for it but can’t recall atm the topic and discussion…
            it must have been in the S9 pro’s and con’s or in the firmware update wishlist… sorry

            living sideways

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            • MarynM Offline
              Maryn Silver Members @Egika
              last edited by Maryn

              @Egika Coros introduced similar thing directly in watch .
              Maybe we can vote for such feature 🙂

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              • freeheelerF Offline
                freeheeler @Maryn
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                @Maryn
                an indicator about satellite reception quality 👍

                living sideways

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                • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Maryn
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                  @Maryn I would not like any of those features on a watch. Sure you can have those eg on the s7 its super easy to install an app todo that but even me gets 0 value…

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                  • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Maryn
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                    @Maryn and btw that “app” is already in your s9 😉

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                    • freeheelerF Offline
                      freeheeler @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
                      I just thought when you do sports at any place and the indicator (let’s say a traffic light indicator) goes to orange and you’re not happy about the recording you know already before you go next time that you could try adding either one of the other GNSS systems for that route?

                      …something like anger prevention 😉

                      living sideways

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                        Łukasz Szmigiel @Egika
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                        @Egika https://www.gnssplanning.com/#/settings

                        S9PP 2.40.38

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                          Łukasz Szmigiel @isazi
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                          @isazi when reception is good, Galileo is scary to the point of showing me slaloming around puddles. Pretty amazing.

                          S9PP 2.40.38

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                          • isaziI Offline
                            isazi Moderator @Egika
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                            @Egika also check https://galmon.eu/

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                            • isaziI Offline
                              isazi Moderator @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                              @Łukasz-Szmigiel yes, sometimes I get tracks in which I can see even little details, sometimes I go through buildings and jump around without a clear pattern.

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                              Blog: isazi's home

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                                Łukasz Szmigiel @isazi
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                                @isazi this is also my observation and it seems very strange. I mean - shouldn’t it fallback to GPS if Galileo DOP is poor? The conditions in cases which I’m comparing are the same (low buildings, some trees, some open terrain, no hills, same location) but track quality varies dramatically from run to run. Even after checking GNSS planning (just out of plain curiosity) there’s usually around 7 - 9 sats available in total (GPS + Galileo). One run can be super precise and the other generally poor.

                                However, what I’ve observed is that the whole workout is either super precise or not. It doesn’t change even for long (20k) runs (during the run). Strange. Perhaps it’s related to fused track?

                                S9PP 2.40.38

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                                  stromdiddily Gold Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                  @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                  @Maryn I would not like any of those features on a watch. Sure you can have those eg on the s7 its super easy to install an app todo that but even me gets 0 value…

                                  Out of curiosity, why not?

                                  Found it pretty interesting that adding GLONASS on my Coros only added two visible satellites and did nothing for those it thinks are “good”. Sure there are a handful of GNSS mapping websites but is pretty slick being able to travel to a new place and seeing exactly what the watch is picking up.

                                  TBH - I recently put my S9 back on the shelf for my A3P and Apex. GPS consistency, which had it ahead of the others, just hasn’t been there with this latest update.

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                                    isazi Moderator @stromdiddily
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                                    @stromdiddily because it’s not that useful unless you’re an informed user already. Just knowing which satellites are on view it’s no help unless you are doing a very brief activity in an open field. For anything else you’ll have to factor the orbits of the satellites relative to the time and the direction of your movement, plus the obstacles on the way. Let’s say such GLONASS satellites you mention add little at the start, but they are rising over the horizon and in 20 minutes they’ll be high in the sky, while one of the GPS ones is going down and it will be shaded by a house when you cross the street in three minutes. What would you do?
                                    It’s nice to have tools where they matter, but I prefer to have actionable information, and not just data, data, and more data 🙂

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                                    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @stromdiddily
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                                      @stromdiddily said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                      TBH - I recently put my S9 back on the shelf for my A3P and Apex. GPS consistency, which had it ahead of the others, just hasn’t been there with this latest update.

                                      I hear you and I do not deny that the last update has been great for the common public but not so well for “all” users. The cut corner issue is well known.

                                      Most of the users (statistically) that ‘have issues’ or are not pleased, are geographically distributed in common areas from my analysis. I don’t know why but I bet it has really todo with the stuff above us.

                                      The most funny part is that it has been like so since many years and many brands afaik.

                                      Typical scenario for me (the location/way I test) was that the accuracy of the Spartan series was far away from my expectations in contrast to the S series.

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                                      • stromdiddilyS Offline
                                        stromdiddily Gold Members @isazi
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                                        @isazi fair enough point. We are obviously a little more involved than the average user 🙂

                                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos region must have something to do with it. I look at tracks for folks in other places and often find much better results despite a seemingly common platform.

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                                        • isaziI Offline
                                          isazi Moderator @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                          @Łukasz-Szmigiel so today I must have got one of the best GPS tracks ever in my home area using Galileo. Unfortunately it’s too close to home to share it, but I was very impressed!

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                                          • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                                            Perhaps if posting here we can revive mr SilventVoyager

                                            I can share that the latest FW for the Sony chip on both S9/S5 performs oustanding.

                                            Regarding distance, I always get more than Stryd , road or trail. Personal. But about 0.05-0.15 to A3

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