Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?

pavel.samokha

@Fenr1r I’m a bit confused, may be your logic is too complex for me. So Suunto’s plan is according to you: implement workouts BT sync but not settings BT sync to force customers buy a new watch but be sure no lawsuits? Occam’s razor tells me it’s wrong explanation.

Fenr1r

@pavel-samokha Occam’s razor can go back in his pocket. Assuming he had pockets. The logic doesn’t extend beyond why “Suunto added support for Ambits 1/2/3 to Suunto App and SuuntoLink?”. The cynic wasn’t suggesting anything about forcing anyone to buy a new watch. (As far as I can tell: that miserable bastard.)

Prenj

To give them something, so the watch remains barely “connected”, but just enough to annoy tippical user and hope he will give up and buy better watch. Completely removing Bluetooth connectivity would most definitely make most of users go to the competition right away. Keeping basic bt connectivity, kept them just a little bit longer with suunto. Hopefully until they would decide to buy new watch anyway. And hopefully, decide to stay with suunto.

pavel.samokha

@Fenr1r @Prenj Sorry guys, I don’t see reasoning in your words. I don’t understand how you justify that doing something “barely” makes someone to buy your new product instead of going for a competition. And that company may intentionally try to cripple product and think that the customer just buy a new one because of that. Do you really think it works like that and that’s the reason?

Prenj

Yes. See Apple with slowing down Iphones…

lohtse

@pavel-samokha sad part is thought they are selling the ambits still and yet are crippling the watches!!! Just fact…Moving to a platform with barely any functions instead of implementing them properly, wheres the logic? they ARE crippling the Ambits and it is intentional…

lohtse

@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

Yes. See Apple with slowing down Iphones…

look how long it took them to admit too it… hmmmmmmm wonder if suunto are following their lead???

pavel.samokha

@lohtse crippling for what? To kill golden ~~ambit~~ goose?

pavel.samokha

@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

Apple with slowing down Iphones…

Apple slowing down iPhone models they are still selling ?

lohtse

@pavel-samokha we are loosing functionality.the app is barely suitable and has limited functions… If the app did everything the old app did(change settings etc) and did as the movescount web page does then I would be very happy…yet it does not… instead we have to faf about sync here there and every where when on a pc just to see what we used to see in movescount(don’t for get we will not be able to sync with movescount soon) instead of being a simply process we have to share data with so many things and then half the time(based on comments on the forum) the data is not present or messed up… A simple process ruined for what???

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

Apple with slowing down Iphones…

Apple slowing down iPhone models they are still selling ?

at the time it came to light yes they was still selling the phones they had been slowing down… the iphone 5

Prenj

@pavel-samokha so what if they are selling them? They reduced the price accordingly. It’s the users who bought these watches already, mostly few years ago, that should be gently forced to buy newer watches. These watches refuse to stop working by themselves, so there is a need for a little push from software side.

lohtse

@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

@pavel-samokha so what if they are selling them? They reduced the price accordingly. It’s the users who bought these watches already, mostly few years ago, that should be gently forced to buy newer watches. These watches refuse to stop working by themselves, so there is a need for a little push from software side.

Why??? if it is not broken an still functions fully then why? we waste far too much these days…

Prenj

@lohtse yes! And did you notice how they suggest users to pass their watches to someone else LOL

Fenr1r

@pavel-samokha Again: I’m not going beyond a possible reason why A1/2/3 support exists in SA/SuuntoLink. That’s where @Prenj & I diverge. Not a plan to generate new watch sales (any more than usual).

Entirely hypothetical cognitive dissonance in Vantaa scenario: Dr Jekyll wants to shift everything to App/Spartan/Sx. Mr Hyde wants to keep that A3 revenue stream, unaware of the full technical requirements for A3 functionality. Both go ahead until MC deprecation looms. [Actual] Initial plan announced to fully/simply cease MC. Jonathan Harker points out A3 sales mean 2 more years (at least) of spec’d functionality provision required post final A3 sale.

[Actual] MC public deprecation text revised: Son of MC to continue as settings, “route management” tool via cable. Dr Jekyll borrows some of MCApp’s code to get SA to import workouts from A3 via BT but that’s as far as it goes. [Actual @margusl or @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos probably know how batshit this idea is but maybe *.jsons/FITs are more easily copied across watch generations]. The greater level of interaction required for setting changes is beyond the S/Sx-geared SA. A bit like you can copy & delete images from an iPhone in Windows but can’t mess around with much else.

Dr Jekyll decides that since Son of MC isn’t going anywhere, maybe “management” [Actually] gets changed to “creation”.

POIs status remains unknown in the forest somewhere.

pavel.samokha

@lohtse as I said previously, I encourage you to try using new app first. That’s better than make conclusions “based on comments on the forum” (BTW which comments show the date is messed up or not present half the time?)

lohtse

@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

@lohtse yes! And did you notice how they suggest users to pass their watches to someone else LOL

Just so we buy more!! Sorry but my Ambit 3 Peak has been through god knows how many conflicts and up countless mountains as well as down hundreds of caves and just keeps going… Suuntos new range would not stand up to the hell the ambits can go through and before you say how do you know. Had a clients who had and S9 and after two days on the mountains it was damaged and scratched to hell… where as the A3P of mine was fine…

I don’t need colour displays or shed loads of smart watch apps… Most folks who really enjoy the mountains don’t either we just need a watch like the Ambits.SIMPLE

lohtse

@pavel-samokha said in Ambit 3 Peak : Keep Movescount or change for SUUNTO app ?:

@lohtse as I said previously, I encourage you to try using new app first. That’s better than make conclusions “based on comments on the forum” (BTW which comments show the date is messed up or not present half the time?)

I have tried the suunto app… It is useless for my needs. as too comments I had spent nearly 4 hours reading thread after thread so feel free to do a search or read them and you will fine the comments

or may be someone will point you too them… But on a side note I do know that some of my data is different between the two apps… Even routes some times had been different yet when I export the gpx i=and imported it in to Memory map or Basecamp they match with movescount yet suunto app they had slight differences.

pavel.samokha

@Prenj Can you point me where do Suunto suggest to pass Ambits to someone else?

pavel.samokha

@lohtse Sometimes being different than what you are used to doesn’t mean useless or worse. Basically most of the functions you’re used to in MC still available to you. You can create routes and sync them, you can sync your moves to the app and analyze.