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    MiniForklift Platinum Member @Djordje S
    last edited by 7 Sept 2021, 20:38

    @djordje-s said in GPS normal?:

    @miniforklift also,I would add a notification feature(beep+vibration) in a case of week/lost GPS.

    Yes please, that would be great. Maybe even a little cluster of vibrations as it’s easy to miss the single ones when you’re running. If it was a small cluster of vibrations you’d also know exactly what it means without having to even look at your watch 👍

    SV Titanium Solar Forest

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      Łukasz Szmigiel @MiniForklift
      last edited by 7 Sept 2021, 20:48

      @miniforklift but then… What would you do with such information during the workout? That the signal is weak?

      There is an alarm when the signal is lost. At last there was in 2019’s firmware.

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        MiniForklift Platinum Member @Łukasz Szmigiel
        last edited by MiniForklift 9 Jul 2021, 20:53 7 Sept 2021, 20:53

        @łukasz-szmigiel said in GPS normal?:

        @miniforklift but then… What would you do with such information during the workout? That the signal is weak?

        Probably not much you can do, but good to know nonetheless

        @łukasz-szmigiel said in GPS normal?:

        @miniforklift There is an alarm when the signal is lost. At last there was in 2019’s firmware.

        Yes, there could well be. I don’t know if I have ever completely lost GPS during an activity so it’s not something I’m familiar with

        SV Titanium Solar Forest

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          Łukasz Szmigiel @MiniForklift
          last edited by 8 Sept 2021, 07:01

          @miniforklift speaking from an S5 user’s perspective: There is one “fantastic” notification that I have to deal with - typically when I need my watch the most - ie. when navigating rocky terrain uphils slowly. I don’t want another one of a kind: “hey, you know what, gps is weaker here, just sayin’” 😛

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            Jamie BG Bronze Member @MiniForklift
            last edited by 8 Sept 2021, 08:44

            @miniforklift but then you are back to the same issue - people will wait for the glass to be fill and complain how long its taking.

            much prefer @Lukasz Szmigiel’s idea - as it basically tells you are good to go, but if you hold on we will be even better. A bit like fused tracking in some ways - 1s less battery, 10s more battery. Its making it a choice.

            Traffic light symbol does really signify choice, it more signifies we aren’t there yet…

            And I know - the difference is small and really irrelevant, but to the general population - that is a major difference, and is the diference between people saying it takes 10s to get a fix and 30s to get a fix.

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              TheGuyFromTheSummit Silver Members @isazi
              last edited by 11 Sept 2021, 18:13

              @isazi after the hard reset it is even worse.
              Today during a race even snap to route did no work.
              Route started in the middle and the height profile did not work… so I had to rely on the marks during the race…
              Not pleased

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                DMytro @TheGuyFromTheSummit
                last edited by 11 Sept 2021, 18:54

                @theguyfromthesummit did you sync with the app afterwards? It needs to download agps file + unpack it during first activity.
                If nothing helps - contact support maybe? I have never experienced such bad GPS, even during fog + rain near a gorge.

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                  MiniForklift Platinum Member
                  last edited by MiniForklift 9 Dec 2021, 02:13 12 Sept 2021, 02:12

                  FWIW I had a marathon this morning, it was in a park that was completely unobstructed from anything and not a cloud in the sky. GPS was awful from the start, although I admit this is unusual as I’ve personally never had any issues with my S9B. Before the race I plugged my watch into my laptop and did a sync, optimised GPS etc

                  After the first few laps I honestly gave up looking at it; I was running a steady pace however the average pace on the watch was continuously fluctuating between 4.30 /km - 6.00/km. I basically ran the marathon by feel which was not ideal, and it ended up recording 42.65km on what was apparently a very strictly measured course 🙄

                  SV Titanium Solar Forest

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                    TheGuyFromTheSummit Silver Members @DMytro
                    last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 05:04

                    @dmytro the activity got tracked
                    But during the race I had no height profile, my POI (aid station) were no working and the overall navigation was totally off…
                    But after saving the track, it looks normal…

                    I opened the sports mode 10min before pressing start to get a perfect GPS signal etc…

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                      TheGuyFromTheSummit Silver Members @MiniForklift
                      last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 05:05

                      @miniforklift sounds exactly like my problem.
                      (But GPS is often not working in my case)

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                        DMytro @TheGuyFromTheSummit
                        last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 05:26

                        @theguyfromthesummit ok, this I experienced too, but it he harshest conditions. Was actually happy to have a semi good track for post workout analysis.

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                          sartoric Moderator @MiniForklift
                          last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 08:19

                          @miniforklift
                          Out of curiosity, any pond near the track?

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                            MiniForklift Platinum Member @sartoric
                            last edited by MiniForklift 9 Dec 2021, 08:59 12 Sept 2021, 08:59

                            @sartoric said in GPS normal?:

                            @miniforklift
                            Out of curiosity, any pond near the track?

                            Yes, I ran by a pond for a couple of hundred metres for each 2.5km loop. Intriguing, so what’s the relevance with the pond?

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                              DMytro @MiniForklift
                              last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 09:10

                              @miniforklift Scattering of GPS signal on water surface.

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                                MiniForklift Platinum Member @DMytro
                                last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 10:31

                                @dmytro said in GPS normal?:

                                @miniforklift Scattering of GPS signal on water surface.

                                Yes, but running by the pond would have only been for 200-300m of a 2.5km loop. It was pretty bad and generally all over the place for the whole loop as opposed to just that section

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                                  sartoric Moderator @MiniForklift
                                  last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 11:20

                                  @MiniForklift
                                  Did you wait some minutes before starting the activity to let the watch have a good fix?

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                                    MiniForklift Platinum Member @sartoric
                                    last edited by 12 Sept 2021, 19:51

                                    @sartoric said in GPS normal?:

                                    @MiniForklift
                                    Did you wait some minutes before starting the activity to let the watch have a good fix?

                                    Race started 8am, I acquired a GPS fix about 10 minutes prior to that

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                                      MiniForklift Platinum Member @DMytro
                                      last edited by 13 Sept 2021, 00:20

                                      @dmytro said in GPS normal?:

                                      @miniforklift Scattering of GPS signal on water surface.

                                      Here’s a quick screenshot of one of the sections that is furthest away from the lake. FWIW I hugged the same line for each loop with, but you can see from the recording it’s fairly erratic

                                      Screenshot 2021-09-13 at 12-14-59 Cherry Blossom Marathon ☀️ Run Strava.png

                                      It even has me out in the middle of a busy road which I was nowhere near at any point during the race

                                      SV Titanium Solar Forest

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                                        TheGuyFromTheSummit Silver Members
                                        last edited by 29 Oct 2021, 05:42

                                        Just to update this thread.

                                        I sent my watch to Suunto support (GPS, and the buttons got stuck) and they replaced - besides other things - the GPS unit.

                                        Good news first: the watch finds a GPS signal much quicker now

                                        Bad news: the GPS track still looks really nervous and looses signal as often as before.

                                        So I have no clue what causes this problems.

                                        I just have to figure out, if this affects my navigation with preset routes etc.

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                                          Egika Platinum Member @TheGuyFromTheSummit
                                          last edited by 29 Oct 2021, 06:40

                                          @theguyfromthesummit I think I suggested this before: have you tried GPS only?
                                          Could there be anything blocking the watch’s view to the sky? Is possibly the antenna obstructed in any way?
                                          Can you try another watch maybe from a friend to check if the issue is an issue of your use case or your watch?

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