Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos , kudos for spelling it out.
Is there a hope for any development towards Ambit-line? E.g. missing power data ( from Stryd, in my case ) is pretty annoying, I don’t much care if it’s shown in the SA or not, but not having it available for 3rd party services is really getting on my nerves - Stryd Powercenter sync just ignores all SA activities without power. -
@margusl said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos , kudos for spelling it out.
Is there a hope for any development towards Ambit-line? E.g. missing power data ( from Stryd, in my case ) is pretty annoying, I don’t much care if it’s shown in the SA or not, but not having it available for 3rd party services is really getting on my nerves - Stryd Powercenter sync just ignores all SA activities without power.You can do a direct sync via stryd app after using A3P, then you can export from Stryd Power Center to 3rd party.
For cycling no such luck.
I use A3P for its clear Screen view in difficult Conditions. When its muddy I just wipe sapphire screen with a finger and can see clearly dark or sunny.
On S9B when I wipe mud off I see smeared glare mess, I found it rather inconvenient to carry a bottle of windex and wipes on bike or while running. It’s more of an dirt free training watch.
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@lexterm77 said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
You can do a direct sync via stryd app after using A3P, then you can export from Stryd Power Center to 3rd party.
To get all Stryd metrics, I need to go through offline sync with Stryd app anyway, that’s not an issue. What I’m pissed at is not having a track along Stryd metrics in Powercenter ( Powercenter normally pulls it from a watch manufacturer’s data store and merges with stryd data, but only if the activity includes power) and not having power in TrainingPeaks (unless I connect TP with Stryd and manually deal with duplicates).
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@margusl said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
@lexterm77 said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
You can do a direct sync via stryd app after using A3P, then you can export from Stryd Power Center to 3rd party.
To get all Stryd metrics, I need to go though offline sync with Stryd app anyway, that’s not an issue. What I’m pissed at is not having a track along Stryd metrics in Powercenter ( Powercenter normally pulls it from a watch manufacturer’s data store and merges with stryd data, but only if the activity includes power) and not having power in TrainingPeaks (unless I connect TP with Stryd and manually deal with duplicates).
Thats true, Stryd does not merge if activity has no power.
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@margusl said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos , kudos for spelling it out.
Is there a hope for any development towards Ambit-line? E.g. missing power data ( from Stryd, in my case ) is pretty annoying, I don’t much care if it’s shown in the SA or not, but not having it available for 3rd party services is really getting on my nerves - Stryd Powercenter sync just ignores all SA activities without power.Yes. I hate that as well and I still push and won’t stop
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Again just to be clear.
The only basic (feature) that is gone is workout planner. That was done via the app only.
The "new " movescount will provide all route planning yadi yada but not the activity view etc.
It’s said on the announcements as well.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks a lot!! A3P is still my favorite watch and going strong after many peaks and years…
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
Again just to be clear.
The only basic (feature) that is gone is workout planner. That was done via the app only.
The "new " movescount will provide all route planning yadi yada but not the activity view etc.
It’s said on the announcements as well.
Nice! any idea when the new movescount will launch?
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@tomhaegler Nope
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@tomhaegler But not any time later than MC goes away.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
Again just to be clear.
The only basic (feature) that is gone is workout planner. That was done via the app only.
The "new " movescount will provide all route planning yadi yada but not the activity view etc.
It’s said on the announcements as well.
And of course “wireless watch customization”
Well technically that’s more than one feature. It’s more like offline/online watch settings, sport modes customization, syncing of routes and POI-s with phone app. And there was also very nice second screen feature. In my book that’s a huge hit to the watch usability.I remember the time when Suunto advertised “connected family with Ambit3”. Well it’s not that “conneccted” anymore. More like “mostly cable connected to computer family with Ambit3” now.
Hardware is still great, that was never the problem. But it’s significantly worse device now it’s feature list has shrunk.
Suunto Race
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@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
Well it’s not that “conneccted” anymore. More like “mostly cable connected to computer family with Ambit3” now.
Well technically … even through a cable it’s still “connected”
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@sartoric said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
Well it’s not that “conneccted” anymore. More like “mostly cable connected to computer family with Ambit3” now.
Well technically … even through a cable it’s still “connected”
LOL yes. It’s just that it was just Ambit3 that was advertised as “connected” while other ambits without bluetooth were not. Maybe they just forgot to include them
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Even if I know that i’m loosing time… I want to remember that this watch have been sold with specific characteristics and features…
If you buy a car and than suddenly the producer remove the steering wheel, Well, technically you can still drive it using a wrench…
is this what you payd for? you will happily accept the compromise?Ambit 3 Peak vs Suunto app "sad" owner.
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@Prenj said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
Again just to be clear.
The only basic (feature) that is gone is workout planner. That was done via the app only.
The "new " movescount will provide all route planning yadi yada but not the activity view etc.
It’s said on the announcements as well.
And of course “wireless watch customization”
Well technically that’s more than one feature. It’s more like offline/online watch settings, sport modes customization, syncing of routes and POI-s with phone app. And there was also very nice second screen feature. In my book that’s a huge hit to the watch usability.I remember the time when Suunto advertised “connected family with Ambit3”. Well it’s not that “conneccted” anymore. More like “mostly cable connected to computer family with Ambit3” now.
Hardware is still great, that was never the problem. But it’s significantly worse device now it’s feature list has shrunk.
I was reffering to Movescount as a service. Not the medium the service uses. That correct is lost the wireless “setup”.
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@francescobaldi said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
Even if I know that i’m loosing time… I want to remember that this watch have been sold with specific characteristics and features…
If you buy a car and than suddenly the producer remove the steering wheel, Well, technically you can still drive it using a wrench…
is this what you payd for? you will happily accept the compromise?If I remember correctly @TELE-HO made a great analogy… Imagine buying a TV with remote control (of course) and after some time, manufacturer decides to disable it, or let’s be even closer to A3P’s case, disables all the buttons except power. So technically, you still have working remote, TV still works, but it’s significantly more inconvenient to use it than before. When you want to change channels you have to get up and use buttons on TV itself. Well maybe some of them don’t work too, but that’s ok I guess
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For those that perhaps have come later to this discussions about “what goes away or not” we had a war here in the forum.
The first announcement was that there wont be any replacement and many devices would be bricked etc. (At least the perception)
Many users here in this forum added their voice and changed many things during this procedure.
I know that BT is a thing for syncing your route (settings can be less relevany since they dont change ofter) and this is understandable.
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@Prenj Yes it’s a deliberate decision due to I suppose (and we all) maintainability and economical reasons. It is what is now.
We can reopen the subject, spend a coupe of ours, change our mood,have again a fight and so on, but this wont benefit anyone of us.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Ambit 3 Peak Route Support for Suunto App:
@Prenj Yes it’s a deliberate decision due to I suppose (and we all) maintainability and economical reasons. It is what is now.
We can reopen the subject, spend a coupe of ours, change our mood,have again a fight and so on, but this wont benefit anyone of us.
Dimitrios, please don’t take this personally. I really like you and I’m grateful for your being a voice in this whole suunto silence game.
This kind of business practice is unfair and up until now, never really seen from suunto. I really like reliability and longevity of suunto equipment. That were really most important reasons to buy their products. But now it seems that they jumped in the ship of fast moving market of fashion watches lasting for 2 years at most. After that, it’s not just “no more support” from manufacturer, but planed obsolesce route. If my watch should last just 2 years, than I consider Suunto watches way overpriced. Especially when Suunto lately releases products that are essentially unfinished and it takes several years to catch up and become the product it was intended to be.
I’m really sorry for being so negative and I apologize for annoying many of users here. I’m just very disappointed in Suunto. It’s definitely not the company that it used to be. Whether it is due to new owner or not, I really don’t know. But they completely lost my trust. Such a pity. I think you could easily guess they lost me as a customer in the future. I don’t know how many A3Ps owners feel the same, but well the time will tell. Unfortunately this experience will definitely stop me from recommending Suunto to anyone anymore.
I wish you all the best.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thanks for your patience. It’s been a while and a couple of months ago I was indeed under the impression that Ambit devices would lose a lot of functionality. But a lot was vague and some stuff is still vague right now. I’m only just back here. I was under the impression that soon enough, my training log from my Ambit 2S would soon enough no longer be synchronized. Last Wednesday I noticed the Ambit 3 series were discounted and decided to buy the Ambit 3 Peak. I’ve also got a Spartan for over two years now (the one that resembles an Ambit watch) but always continued using the Ambit 2S for the more intense training sessions. I received my Ambit 3 yesterday but after reading through the forum I got a bit worried that Ambit 3 would no longer be supported either, then to find out that the entire Ambit will continue to be supported over the cable. So my Ambit 2S would remain just fine. But eventually I decided that I really like some advanced features of the A3P that my Ambit 2S lacks so I think I’m keeping it and I’ll take it out for a blast on the mountainbike this evening.
I think a lot of traffic on this forum is because a lot is unclear. I’ve been going through the support articles and this is what I can make of it. There still are some questions left. Could you clear them up?
Watch:
- fitness test (does it log to Movescount or App?)
- barometric data (does it log to a webservice too?)
SuuntoLink:
- GPS updates
- upload training data
- download routes etc
- POI created in the watch, uploaded to the app or to Movescount?
Movescount:
- watch setup
- route creation
- apps? (like, the ones that actually run on the watch)
Suunto App (the phone thing)
- analysis and display of training data
- smartwatch functionality (phone notifications to the watch)
Am I correct there? Also, could you clarify something about the ones that got a question mark ;)? Some of these are unique Ambit 3 features and I haven’t found any mention of them in the articles on the Suunto website. Most notably the “apps” functionality. The ability to write and modify apps to then be run inside the watch.
I’m probably the odd one out here who isn’t worried about the (current) lack of full wireless data transfer, instead I’m more excited to learn that the data transfer over the cable will continue to exist.
Thank you!
Vinay
