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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    jw cou Silver Members @ollemelin
    last edited by jw cou 8 Feb 2020, 18:21 2 Aug 2020, 18:06

    An interesting article from TrainingPeaks https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/how-accurate-is-your-gps-watch

    Looks like a “fair” comparison to me.

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      stromdiddily Gold Members @ollemelin
      last edited by 3 Aug 2020, 16:18

      @ollemelin which way were you turning? which side of the road were you on? These things will all make a difference (ie if suunto is on left and most of your turns are left, it will likely be a bit shorter than any watch worn on your right wrist).,

      FWIW - I am constantly comparing watches and have found that strapping it around the palm of your hand is fairly comfortable and provides the most accurate comparison

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        Brad_Olwin Moderator @jw cou
        last edited by Brad_Olwin 8 Mar 2020, 16:29 3 Aug 2020, 16:29

        @jw-cou said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

        An interesting article from TrainingPeaks https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/how-accurate-is-your-gps-watch

        Looks like a “fair” comparison to me.

        It is, but dated. I downloaded the published manuscript. For fenix, the newest was the 3 and for Suunto newest was Spartan. No data for Sony chipset.

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          zhang965 @jw cou
          last edited by 3 Aug 2020, 16:52

          @jw-cou said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

          An interesting article from TrainingPeaks https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/how-accurate-is-your-gps-watch

          Looks like a “fair” comparison to me.

          another study:

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          Study-Findings[1].png

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
            last edited by 4 Aug 2020, 06:03

            @zhang965 that study is also sponsored by polar.

            Interestingly both studies are not updated or fair for the competition.

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              johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by johann.fuehrer 8 Apr 2020, 07:13 4 Aug 2020, 07:12

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Thatt’s the problem with such studies, they are always outdated, never on the latest firmware and always sponsored by someone. But I have/had five of this eight watches (the Garmins and the Vantage were sold, Polar V800 and S9B are still here besides A2 & A3) and the result matches well with my experience.

              The V800 is besides the A2 & A3 the watch with the most accurate GPS I ever had, the FR935 was also pretty good, then the S9B and last would I rate the F5X plus.

              The Vantage went back, because of the poor navigation capabilities, the Garmins were sold because of the software issues which went worse with each update and it sucks to update every 1-2 weeks not to know if you get more fixed or more new bugs…

              The V800 and A2/A3 will stay as I like them as they are 🙂

              The S9B is my all day and workout watch now …

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                freeheeler
                last edited by 4 Aug 2020, 21:51

                shouldn’t scientists work to uncover the truth independently from a sponsor?
                I would expect that from the phd’s and bcs’s in magglingen…

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                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @freeheeler
                  last edited by 4 Aug 2020, 23:20

                  @TELE-HO said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                  shouldn’t scientists work to uncover the truth independently from a sponsor?
                  I would expect that from the phd’s and bcs’s in magglingen…

                  I would hope so too, the only thing I can think is they donated watches? I am a publishing scientist, not in this field but it is hard for me to imagine why the study was sponsored. It is possible the sponsor paid for the salary of a student or technician. If it is peer-reviewed, which these are I trust the reviewers as they new the conflicts and assessed the data.

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                    Egika Platinum Member
                    last edited by 5 Aug 2020, 04:49

                    Only because some company ordered a study at a scientific organisation, this does not mean it is wrong.
                    Maybe the setup and boundary conditions are biased, so take these with precaution, but I would trust the result itself.

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                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                      last edited by 5 Aug 2020, 05:27

                      As Bradley said it, I think it’s about the “free watches”.

                      The study had 3 polars vs the “rest” which the rest were just a few.

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                        zhang965
                        last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 09:34

                        Same place, same distance, same configuration, one year later

                        IMG_20200807_113251.jpg IMG_20200807_113305.jpg

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                          johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @zhang965
                          last edited by johann.fuehrer 8 Jul 2020, 10:02 7 Aug 2020, 10:02

                          @zhang965 sorry, maybe I have missed something above - what do we see here (except the obvious that the latter is better in GPS quality)? Which watch & which GPS settings for first and second picture? Thx

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                            cosme.costa @johann.fuehrer
                            last edited by cosme.costa 8 Jul 2020, 10:33 7 Aug 2020, 10:32

                            @johann-fuehrer If you see the pictures there is a timestamp, and the newer is worse than the older.

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                              johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @cosme.costa
                              last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 10:34

                              @cosmecosta said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                              @johann-fuehrer If you see the pictures there is a timestamp, and the newer is worse than the older.

                              Sorry, yes! - you are right, I didn’t check this. All clear now…

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
                                last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 10:48

                                @zhang965 Beidou?

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                                  Bulkan Moderator
                                  last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:11

                                  @zhang965 Nice park, I’ve ran there.

                                  I remember saw a guy running fast with two watches…

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                                    zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:42

                                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                    @zhang965 Beidou?

                                    both are gps+galileo

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                                      isazi Moderator @zhang965
                                      last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:51

                                      @zhang965 seems consistent with my Galileo experience: when it works, it works great; when it fucks up, it does it spectacularly.

                                      Galmon also seems to point out to recent issues with Galileo satellites.

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                                        zhang965 @Bulkan
                                        last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:51

                                        @Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                                        @zhang965 Nice park, I’ve ran there.

                                        I remember saw a guy running fast with two watches…

                                        last year, i ran a lot around of this park.

                                        this year because of the obvious circumstance, I back to the park last month and my s9b gps got way worse than last year, sometimes I can see my speed dropping a lot even though I keep the same pace. (for example 4m/km drop to 7m/km during a while)

                                        I don’t know what happened, does the covid affect the GPS satellites?

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                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                                          last edited by 7 Aug 2020, 11:55

                                          Despite me being super excited by gallileo , I never use it.

                                          I get the same experience with most.

                                          Either great or siiiiittt.

                                          Beidou and glonass seem the best for me.

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