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    Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?

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      margusl @Stefan Kersting
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      @Stefan-Kersting said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

      Maybe I am a little bit old fashioned, but when navigating in the mountains I do that with map and compass. The navigation function is a nice gadget that I use too. But navigating tha old way is more fun.

      Oh c’mon… I personally do a lot of orienteering, in purest map & compass form and almost every discipline - city sprints, short/mid/long distance, weekly training events, gatherings, relays, 4/8/24h rogaines. Fair play rules on most of those events forbid the use of GPS assistance (that includes pacing and distance measurements but it’s OK if you configured your watch just to display time and chrono) . And on some of those events carrying GPS equipment (like phones & watches ) is allowed only in sealed bags provided by organizers, they also check the seals after finishing.

      But I also enjoy events where organizers are providing GPX track or a list of control coordinates. And you know what sucks? Last minute route changes. Knowing you were able to handle that situation just fine a year or two ago doesn’t help either…

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        margusl @cosme.costa
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        @cosmecosta said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

        And no mention of Movescount in specs

        All features marked with a single asterisk are Movescount features. There’s actually a (broken) tooltip saying that:

        <th>EPOC &amp; V02 max values *
        <a href="#" data-toggle="tooltip" data-original-title="" title="" class="u-relative s-bold js-tooltip__specstable-no-icon js-tooltip__clickable"></a> <span class="js-tooltip-html-content u-dn"><span class="u-ib u-p-1 s-fg-fff s-bg-333">
        * available In Movescount.com</span></span></th>
        

        And all those features marked with double-asterisk are implemented through Suunto Apps ( http://www.movescount.com/apps#sorting=15 ), still very Movescount.

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          Fenr1r @margusl
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          @margusl Well, at least someone broke the tooltip, I guess … You’d know: is that the best method of editing that webpage, or just the laziest?

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          • Stefan KerstingS Offline
            Stefan Kersting @Prenj
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            @Prenj said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

            The point is we invested some hard earned money in device that makes some stuff we do easier. Suunto is now making it less easy or impossible. Not cool.

            You have to see it like this. I bought my SSU 2,5 years ago and I am not so happy with it because Suunto gives i shit in this watch. But I bought the watch for 3700€ and had it round about 912 days, did nearly 1000 workouts. That means it cost med ca. 4 € per day or activity.

            If you smoke you spent this money on cigarettes or maybe even more per day. So why not invest this money in you health and I think the math for the ambit is a little bit better.

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              Fenr1r @Stefan Kersting
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              @Stefan-Kersting said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

              3700€

              Wow. Missed the sales, huh?

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                sartoric Moderator @Fenr1r
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                @Fenr1r said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

                @Stefan-Kersting said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

                3700€

                Wow. Missed the sales, huh?

                Was it the platinum edition ?

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                • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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                  just 0.7e per workout.

                  Add the 1h min wage of a worker = 17e = 17.7e per workout if 1h

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                    Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

                    Add the 1h min wage of a worker

                    Now I’m confused. Who’s paying that 17.7€? Did the worker not buy his/her own watch (the amortised 0.7€ of the total payment to Suunto)? Is the workout then on company time and therefore a cost on top of the watch provided? Is the worker self-employed and deducting the workout time as a 17€ cost?

                    I’m missing something here …

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                      Prenj
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                      So for the next purchase of sport watch I should ask how long does the manufacturer guarantees they will not cripple my watch. This is very important for I have to carefully calculate amortization schedule. No more impulse purchases. We’ll see does it pay off to buy 500 € watch every two years, when after that period it gets severely crippled by manufacturer and loses value drastically.

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                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
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                        @Fenr1r I was joking in terms of how someone values a workout. Like time always has to be converted to money and tha’ts what I did. I converted 1h of activity to a cost.

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                          Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Apologies, man: I got lost in the accounting. Points for dry delivery. Hoist by my own petard. Nice one.

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                            Fenr1r @Prenj
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                            @Prenj You can always try but I doubt they’ll reply helpfully or on the record. In all seriousness, check the mandatory guarantee law in your jurisdiction which will supercede the manufacturer’s period (and may extend the duration).

                            Maybe next pick a watch that can be essentially autonomous. By and large un-cripple-able from afar. Syncing, ideally, but allowing file access in a form used so widely outside the narrow sportswatch world that it is far less vulnerable to the plans of a single manufacturer.

                            But still vulnerable to all the connections outside that other manufacturer’s control. And maybe the data security nominally within it.

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                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
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                              @Fenr1r there are many watches sold out there that are good and opensource.

                              And web services.

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                                Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos There are. And I’m in no way knocking the quality of web services. I hear good things about … is it SQ? QR? Something like that.

                                I was offering Prenj a course to minimise the risks of the things that so infuriate him/her now. Each additional connection is another point of vulnerability. MC was no more useful in the field when you didn’t have cell coverage (not Suunto’s doing) than it will be when shut down.

                                What’s the old saying? “Give me the ability to take responsibility for the bits of my tech solution I can control, the tolerance to endure the vagaries of powers beyond that control and the wisdom to pick something that won’t make me rage pointlessly when it fails one day out of guarantee.”

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                                  Stefan Kersting @Fenr1r
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                                  @Fenr1r haha shit my fault. I meant norwegian crowns. The factor to euro is 1 to 10 when you calculated simple. Watch 370 euro and about 40 cent a day. That’s affordable. The point is: I don’t smoke and can spent the money not smoked use to buy a new watch every second year at last. It’s stupid, I actually don’t want to do it and it’s not sustainable. But that’s another question

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                                    Huh, thank God I have degree in economics, otherwise I’m not sure if I would be able to calculate can I and should I buy a new watch. 😀

                                    But seriously, do users really have to worry about these things? I would rather see happy customers who buy new products because of new features, different design, better quality etc than to do it because manufacturer decided their device should be crippled.

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                                      margusl @amasidlover
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                                      @amasidlover said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

                                      @margusl That’s great - is there then just a specific folder I put the resulting files in for SuuntoLink to recognise and transfer them?

                                      This - https://gist.github.com/marguslt/a79ea204f99b45ab015b6ed1ff7529a4#file-mc-workout-termlog-txt - should give you an idea of how workouts are created and handled, while this test took place in linux, main tools - http ( https://httpie.org/ ) & jq - should run just fine in Windows too.

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                                        @Prenj yup

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                                          Mike Green
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                                          Please can someone clarify two things for me, and apologies if this information is above, or in the announcement, but I’ve failed to see it; at least not clearly.

                                          1. Without a [smart]phone, is there any way to get moves from my Ambit3P to somewhere such as Strava? And if there is, how please?
                                          2. Will it still be possible to create new routes, with waypoints in Movescount after the ‘transition’?
                                            Thanks.

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                                            margusl @Mike Green
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                                            @Mike-Green said in Movescount EOL - What does this mean for Ambit3 Peak?:

                                            Please can someone clarify two things for me, and apologies if this information is above, or in the announcement, but I’ve failed to see it; at least not clearly.

                                            1. Without a [smart]phone, is there any way to get moves from my Ambit3P to somewhere such as Strava? And if there is, how please?
                                            2. Will it still be possible to create new routes, with waypoints in Movescount after the ‘transition’?
                                              Thanks.

                                            1 - for this you only need a phone app for a minute or two to just set up connections between Suunto & Strava + perhaps review those default privacy settings. And you can connect to some services (like Runalyze ) even without the app: if Suuntolink allows you to create an account, do that there, if not, create account at https://www.sports-tracker.com/ and use those same credentials with Suuntolink; head over to your service of choice (e.g. Runalyze.com ) and connect it to Suunto.

                                            2 - as you already seem to sync only through cable, you only have to replace your existing Moveslink2 with Suuntolink and make sure its connected to both of your accounts - SuuntoApp & Movescount. Rest of the workflow will remain exactly the same (at least according to information provided to us until now).

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