How to view POWER data in SA?
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So by my count, we are now up to 6 users in this thread that are reporting the issue of not being able to view Power data in SA, and I believe we all have Ambit watches:
- paul870 on 03 Dec
- mzungu on 04 Jan
- lexterm77 on 17 May
- myself (Bucket_Z) on 17 May
- margusl on 22 May
- Fripp on 27 May
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos - Was there ever any resolution to the bug that you created for this issue on 25 Feb? Would be nice to have this resolved so Ambit users can have this functionality.
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Checked if there’s any difference when syncing with Suuntolink (3.0.2), all the rest was the same (A3P + Stryd as power pod), phone’s BT was switched off to hold back Suunto App from syncing.
As a mildly interesting note, Suuntolink actually sends samples with power to SA, but in Summary (data summary that is, sent to SA service), min/avg/max power values are empty. And there’s not much to do with this knowledge as SA still ignores power and exported fit-files have no trace of it either.
Not sure if it’s a sign for hope or is handling the data from Ambits actually more messed up than it seemed to be.
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@margusl said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
Checked if there’s any difference when syncing with Suuntolink (3.0.2), all the rest was the same (A3P + Stryd as power pod), phone’s BT was switched off to hold back Suunto App from syncing.
As a mildly interesting note, Suuntolink actually sends samples with power to SA, but in Summary (data summary that is, sent to SA service), min/avg/max power values are empty. And there’s not much to do with this knowledge as SA still ignores power and exported fit-files have no trace of it either.
Not sure if it’s a sign for hope or is handling the data from Ambits actually more messed up than it seemed to be.
I wonder what would happen if you changed device id from A3P to S9 it would actually show up as it should
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@lexterm77 said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
I wonder what would happen if you changed device id from A3P to S9 it would actually show up as it should
For activities the latest Suuntolink is using an API endpoint that seems to be set up only for Ambits & Traverse, in other words, I’m not too keen to mess with device spoofing.
But I went back to fill those empty values in summary with some dummy min/max/avg power figures and …
avg_power & max_power made it also into fit-file session data, but there’s still no power data stream, so it’s use is kind of limited. Though at least Training Peaks picks those up (original w/o power vs “assisted” with avg/max power):
If someone has the right amount of commitment, setting up a mitm proxy for Suuntolink in a controlled network for adding correct avg/max for power before data reaches Suunto App, is actually doable.
Though adding / enabling the same thing in a proper way in Suuntolink would be a really low-hanging fruit for Suunto to pick.
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@margusl said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
@lexterm77 said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
I wonder what would happen if you changed device id from A3P to S9 it would actually show up as it should
For activities the latest Suuntolink is using an API endpoint that seems to be set up only for Ambits & Traverse, in other words, I’m not too keen to mess with device spoofing.
But I went back to fill those empty values in summary with some dummy min/max/avg power figures and …
avg_power & max_power made it also into fit-file session data, but there’s still no power data stream, so it’s use is kind of limited. Though at least Training Peaks picks those up (original w/o power vs “assisted” with avg/max power):
If someone has the right amount of commitment, setting up a mitm proxy for Suuntolink in a controlled network for adding correct avg/max for power before data reaches Suunto App, is actually doable.
Though adding / enabling the same thing in a proper way in Suuntolink would be a really low-hanging fruit for Suunto to pick.
If I had time I would make a Rasberry Pi pair with Ambit and act as a middle man to connect with phone and do the proper conversion and device spoof and correct data format instead of meddling with SA. Also, you can always snoop BT on data exchange between SA and Ambit to see what is really going on, I bet log file of conversation between those two wouldn’t be that long to figure out.
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Am I correct in thinking that in 7 days time Ambit3 owners lose the ability to get the power data off their watches by any method? I knew SuuntoApp couldn’t do it but had assumed I’d just have to use the cable for all sync until Suunto fix that.
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos can you give any insight on to roughly where in the ‘queue of things to do’ this issue sits? Is it a ‘definitely next release and already being tested’ item, ‘we know its important but we have yet given it to a dev to look at’ item or the dreaded ‘its in a long list of things we don’t want to think about and hope that all the Ambit3s in circulation have hardware failures so that we can just cross it off as no-longer-needed…’?
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@amasidlover said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
Am I correct in thinking that in 7 days time Ambit3 owners lose the ability to get the power data off their watches by any method? I knew SuuntoApp couldn’t do it but had assumed I’d just have to use the cable for all sync until Suunto fix that.
@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos can you give any insight on to roughly where in the ‘queue of things to do’ this issue sits? Is it a ‘definitely next release and already being tested’ item, ‘we know its important but we have yet given it to a dev to look at’ item or the dreaded ‘its in a long list of things we don’t want to think about and hope that all the Ambit3s in circulation have hardware failures so that we can just cross it off as no-longer-needed…’?
Not to be intended as a solution, but regarding a computer can’t you import the files from suunto link folder to strava or other platform and see the power ?
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@amasidlover not sure which is exactly the problem, but actually I can see my power avg data on SA, and the hole graph
And I have SA linked to Runalyze and Quantified-Self services, where I can see other Stryd details.
Can you elaborate a bit more so we can understand the problem (at least me)?
BR
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@suzzlo In your signature it says you have a Suunto Spartan Sport - do you also have an Ambit3? This is specific to the Ambit3 (and possibly 2 and 1) - neither SuuntoLink nor SuuntoApp read the power data from the Ambit3.
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@André-Faria said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
Not to be intended as a solution, but regarding a computer can’t you import the files from suunto link folder to strava or other platform and see the power ?
Short answer is No. For Ambits Suuntolink does not leave activity logs. For those tests above, Suuntolink data was captured and altered with debugging proxies.
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I use a favero assioma power pedal with an ambit 3p and can read datas from the pedal on the watch. My penultimate ride was on 6. September and I got average power on the suunto app but no power plot over time. At this time I synced via movescount app. In movescount and quantified-self I can see the power plot. My last ride on saturday (3. October) don’t show plots or average power data on any platform (neither on suunto app nor on quantified-self). This time I synced via suunto app.
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Should be the same problem ?
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@margusl said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
@André-Faria said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
Not to be intended as a solution, but regarding a computer can’t you import the files from suunto link folder to strava or other platform and see the power ?
Short answer is No. For Ambits Suuntolink does not leave activity logs. For those tests above, Suuntolink data was captured and altered with debugging proxies.
Always with great knowledge
Kinda last bet: even offline you can “sync” with moveslink have the files and upload it elsewhere. But that is a “bit” of work -
@margusl said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
@André-Faria said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
Not to be intended as a solution, but regarding a computer can’t you import the files from suunto link folder to strava or other platform and see the power ?
Short answer is No. For Ambits Suuntolink does not leave activity logs. For those tests above, Suuntolink data was captured and altered with debugging proxies.
ouch. can moveslink be ran on the same computer as suunto app?
because as far as I remember moveslink worked offline. So at least it can retrieve the files from ambits and then you can upload them to wherever you want. -
I think this issue with no power graphs on SA goes beyond the Ambit 3 and running. I have an Ambit 2S that works perfectly, showing live power data from the bike and full power graphs on MC and TP, but not in SA. Occasionally the average power of an exercise session is shown in the app’s summary section, but never with a graph below the HR data.
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I’ve just tried today ambit 3 + stages gen3 power meter with latest SA beta 2.0.0 (8639) on iOS
Power graphs are there but power average is different from movescount
https://www.movescount.com/moves/move362146768https://www.suunto.com/move/andrfaria640/5ff4609d3114b22be4e322b8?imageId=5ff460c6ebec1c5e8209fb19
Uploading from movescount to Strava using RunGap gives me avg power of 197W (instead of 239 from movescount. So closer to 186 of SA)
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I don’t see power in the suunto app Link you shared.
One thing, could be possible that in the average is counting the zero? It that is the case the average power is not your average power pedaling (I hope this word is correct).
Strava only counts the time were there is power. So downhills don’t count on average.
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@Bulkan said in How to view POWER data in SA?:
I don’t see power in the suunto app Link you shared.
One thing, could be possible that in the average is counting the zero? It that is the case the average power is not your average power pedaling (I hope this word is correct).
Strava only counts the time were there is power. So downhills don’t count on average.
On the link it doesn’t show, here are the screenshots
