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Totalt ascent/descent doesn't seem to match elevation graph

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    isazi Moderator @Aleksander H
    last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 08:51

    @aleksander-h maybe you should send the link to this (or other) activities to @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos to check if something is wrong in the app or the watch.

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      Mff73 @Aleksander H
      last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 09:12

      @aleksander-h
      are these activities really synced with SA and watch ? and not sent to cloud through any rungap/syncmyctracks or whatever ? When i see ascent or descent =0 i am wondering.

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        Aleksander H Bronze Member @Mff73
        last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 09:16

        @mff73 said in Totalt ascent/descent doesn't seem to match elevation graph:

        @aleksander-h
        are these activities really synced with SA and watch ? and not sent to cloud through any rungap/syncmyctracks or whatever ? When i see ascent or descent =0 i am wondering.

        Yup. Synced directly from S7 to Suunto app. 0m seems to be from the activity file, as that is what I get on Strava and quantified-self as well. This only seems to happen with “Hike” activity, although that might be a coincidence.

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          Jamie BG Bronze Member @Aleksander H
          last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 10:26

          So did another activity yesterday afternoon - same thing - started my at -32m (actual altitude is between 50-100 based on contour lines, and per previous readings from watch is always around 69-72m).
          So I stopped and restarted - thought maybe as started inside fix wasn’t good. Same issue. So put watch into plane mode waited a minute - no joy - still reading same. So took watch out of plane mode and got on with activity. 3 minutes into activity I checked altitude and was back at normal i.e. 76m (probably right for the position in my route).Looking at track in Suunto phone app - all looked good for start, ascent, descent and end.

          So just been out this morning - and exact same issue (though started at -12m) - did same as yesterday (plane, out of plane mode) and it corrected itself - tracking ascent & descent fine.

          Will later this afternoon tomorrow the following two things:

          1. Start and keep in plane mode - how does that affect readings.
          2. Start as per normal - if incorrect altitude at start leave it alone and see if it corrects, without having to go plane mode on and off.

          To me it definitely looks like its pulling incorrect data with initial fix - never done this before, and if like previously suggest GPS updates done on a monday, got to wonder if there isn’t a FUBAR that is causing this (hope this is it and a recent update isn’t causing this issue - can’t tell as only recently started to tracking again since update, so have immeadiate update tracked records to refer to).

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            Aleksander H Bronze Member
            last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 10:29

            Incidentally. What would be the correct procedure for cleaning the baro hole? User guide only states to wash the watch with soap and water. No special mention of the baro hole.

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              Fenr1r @Aleksander H
              last edited by Fenr1r 3 Sept 2021, 11:40 9 Mar 2021, 11:34

              @aleksander-h If soap and water don’t cut it on their own, several posters have had apparently gratifying results using soft toothbrushes on their holes.

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                pilleus
                last edited by pilleus 3 Sept 2021, 11:39 9 Mar 2021, 11:38

                For me it’s a mystery why a watch with barometer cannot be calibrated manually in the main app (Suunto wear app).

                I use only Ghostracer on the S7 and never the Suunto wear app, because I don’t want an altitude which is not correct.

                If I am at 374 m above sea level I want a watch showing 374 m above sea level and not 396 m. That is the best result in several tests with the S7 running the Suunto wear app. 😕

                Good to have alternatives in WearOS. 👍

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                  Aleksander H Bronze Member @Fenr1r
                  last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 14:13

                  @fenr1r Thanks. I’ve given it a good rinse now without resorting to a toothbrush. I’ll see how it fares today.

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                    Aleksander H Bronze Member @Aleksander H
                    last edited by 9 Mar 2021, 19:46

                    Today’s run fared better. Some unexpected drops in elevation but not as bad as they’ve been earlier. Maybe I’ve not been cleaning it well enough.

                    That said. I’m still confused how I managed to get 0 m ascent on activities where the elevation graph clearly shows me going up 🤔 .

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                      Mff73 @Aleksander H
                      last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 05:46

                      @aleksander-h said in Totalt ascent/descent doesn't seem to match elevation graph:

                      Today’s run fared better. Some unexpected drops in elevation but not as bad as they’ve been earlier. Maybe I’ve not been cleaning it well enough.

                      That said. I’m still confused how I managed to get 0 m ascent on activities where the elevation graph clearly shows me going up 🤔 .

                      as asked @isazi in the other post, do you also have 0m in the watch ?
                      but i guess at this stage that we (just users) can’t go further into analysis with any Suunto insight 🙂
                      fit files, QS import, etc…, are just what Suunto clould let export from your activities, not any raw informations (if they are some).
                      if i had a S7 i would have searched in my android phone or in the watch itself if there are some of these raw data file after a workout, but i have not 😞 …yet 🙂 ?

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                        Aleksander H Bronze Member @Mff73
                        last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 06:45

                        @mff73 the watch doesn’t show ascent info at all in the diary for the activity with 0 ascent. Only elevation graph and descent information. I’m guessing its not showing data with no data to show.

                        Unfortunately I can only check this for one of the two activities I have with this problem. I got a new phone 1 February and therefore needed to reset the watch. The first activity with this issue was before the reset, so that one is gone from my watches diary.

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Aleksander H
                          last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 08:06

                          @aleksander-h I suspect this is due to slow ascent

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Aleksander H
                            last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 08:07

                            @aleksander-h ill report this anyways

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                              Aleksander H Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 08:42

                              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos 5e14f78c-0dcb-4506-a9c9-4cb46afa36ed-image.png
                              Going from 240 to roughly 350 in about 35 minutes is slow? I guess I must be in worse shape than I thought 😆 .

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Aleksander H
                                last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 08:58

                                @aleksander-h there is a fix already done for that.

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                                  Aleksander H Bronze Member @Aleksander H
                                  last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 08:58

                                  Incidentally, that graph is from a different activity that gave 0m. To avoid confusion, I’ll just post direct links to both here:

                                  https://quantified-self.io/user/DUrrVK0qMVZO5TtAP0r6Ox2HVLD2/event/48100bfe1ddfeee6242d124cc67d4cbbff0fc13357bac4207d10f0b9d3bfb895

                                  https://quantified-self.io/user/DUrrVK0qMVZO5TtAP0r6Ox2HVLD2/event/583f92a0b4ceb9d5406432cd03971f10e2ae5252eca6503191648ae1ef9ba1a0

                                  And below is the activity which was posted by @mikulass in another thread:
                                  https://www.suunto.com/sk-sk/move/mikulasstrelecky/6047bd0e148abc47025d3e17

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                                    Aleksander H Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                    last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 08:59

                                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos oh really? In the app? Backend?

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                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Aleksander H
                                      last edited by 10 Mar 2021, 09:14

                                      @aleksander-h needs watch update but yes its fixed and spotted beforehand.

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                                        Aleksander H Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                        last edited by Aleksander H 3 Oct 2021, 10:01 10 Mar 2021, 10:01

                                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos awesome. I guess there’s nothing to do but wait for it then :). Thanks for the help, and thanks for building such an awesome free tool (quantified-self).

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