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    • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
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      Jokes aside there is special reason that we use silence of mind, or as you might discover later, things that cannot be measured

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        Nigel Taylor 0 Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos But some people do need a prompt to simply remind their selves to take some time out to relax - we’re not ‘forced’ to use it, but more features, as long as they don’t detriment the existing good stuff is surely a good thing???

        Apple sell millions of watches simply because people quite like the idea of being reminded to breath or stand-up, every so often - apps like Calm and Headspace are regularly at the top end of usage on wearables.

        I don’t really see the point of Google Breath or in ‘tracking’ breathing, although I have used it 3 or 4 times, its quite a nice soothing graphic to take you away from any distractions.

        But, now we know the watch is capable of measuring HRV (the Firstbeat Body Resources metrics rely on that) - can we get MORE on the watch in that Wellbeing space? I think so. For me it would be more of a ‘oh thats interesting’ - but it could be a buying decision for someone else - its not by accident that Apple gradually creep towards that area alongside their more tangible Fitness offerings.

        (Not that Apple necessarily get it right or are in any way unique, but they’re good at telling people what they do).

        To me it looks like there is more value to be extracted from this than we currently have >> https://www.firstbeat.com/en/blog/what-is-heart-rate-variability-hrv/

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          Nigel Taylor 0 Bronze Member @isazi
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          @isazi Ah, didn’t see that (I tend to live in the S7 forum only!).

          Sounds like there has been a leak somewhere and its a new device rather than a service or app?

          Not long to wait until next Tuesday for the reveal I guess.

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            Jamie BG Bronze Member @Nigel Taylor 0
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            @nigel-taylor-0
            i think that part of it is to do with our current situation - in that lots of people are working from home where the distractions are fewer and or very different. You don’t have to get up from you desk to attend meetings, you probably don’t have a variable lift desk, I doubt your chair is as ergonomically comfortable, and you don’t have people coming up disrupting your workflow (instead they PM now), so yes I think we tend to forget to get up, change position, take a breather, like a disruption at work would encourage us to do, and due to this these apps become more popular.

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            • suzzloS Offline
              suzzlo Moderator @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Silence of Mind...:

              Jokes aside there is special reason that we use silence of mind, or as you might discover later, things that cannot be measured

              So, it’s not a tip for “no music in this device”, right 😉

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              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @suzzlo
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                @suzzlo its about that moment that you dont have to bother with equipment. having a silence of mind , things you cannot measure.

                perhaps this image says more fa2785a4-98d4-4187-a659-a68f9eec15c5-image.png

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                  suzzlo Moderator @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos ok, I get it… I think I’m in the last part of this journey:

                  • Start with any watch (Polar in my case)
                  • Start improving sport skills
                  • Suddenly you see there is a Garmin that can give you all of these
                  • Then see, that all these metrics doesn’t really help you and you need to focus just on someone
                  • Finally, you decide to buy a Suunto 9P

                  😉

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                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
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                    I think that never before in the history of our civilization were we so occupied in our lives like we are now. If not for the sleep, we’d be connected 24/7. Tracked, alarmed, notified. Crazy.

                    So, for one, having apps that are designed to help us focus on breathing or help get the idea of meditation is a good thing. But I find this is somewhat absurd and I personally couldn’t have a smartwatch for example. I like that my watch can vibrate when someone is calling me or display a text from an app that I’ll allow it to but that’s all.

                    Wash your hands.

                    Breathe.

                    Do a barrel roll.

                    Are we zombies?

                    Are we still in control? Can we just go offline for a moment? Enjoy the walk/run/bike? Work with the senses and forget the numbers? Like - be alive?

                    I like this “Silence of Mind”. Reminds me somehow of the original S5 marketing theme related to the “Flow” and some of my catharsis experiences during running. We’ll see what it brings 😉

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                    • DMytroD Offline
                      DMytro @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                      @dimitrios-kanellopoulos but suunto provides “how was it?” function, so it does say XD

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                      • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                        Łukasz Szmigiel @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos this is golden ❤

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                          @suzzlo said in Silence of Mind...:

                          @dimitrios-kanellopoulos ok, I get it… I think I’m in the last part of this journey:

                          • Start with any watch (Polar in my case)
                          • Start improving sport skills
                          • Suddenly you see there is a Garmin that can give you all of these
                          • Then see, that all these metrics doesn’t really help you and you need to focus just on someone
                          • Finally, you decide to buy a Suunto 9P

                          😉

                          That’s funny. I started with a Polar (M430) and decided I needed more information. Enter a Fenix 3 HR, soon followed by a Vantage V and then a Suunto Spartan Sport WHR Baro. The Polar has so much data, it’s mind bending, but it can’t navigate itself out of a goldfish bowl. The Garmin is so configurable it’s ridiculous, but the app is not to my taste and I keep being told to ‘Move’ when I already just stood up! The Suunto has (arguably) less metrics than either of them, but it tells me when the weather will be bad (without needing a phone connection) is pretty simple to use, and is very practical when it comes to navigation. Guess which two I’m selling and which will stay?

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                            With so many people these days working long hours at desks and computers often in high pressure and stress jobs, is it such a bad thing to have a small device give us a little nudge every now and then reminding us to take a few minutes to stretch, move, and look away from the screen?

                            For example, just this morning I became so engrossed in a task that it was three hours before I realised I hadn’t moved or even looked away from my screen.
                            I used to have a Fitbit that would pester me every hour if I hadn’t done enough steps and it really worked, as I would get up and walk around for 30 seconds. It wasn’t much, but I have no doubt it helped.

                            With the breathing, I also think it can help people. Not everyone knows how to meditate, or even how to properly relax (in fact I would go as far to say as most average people don’t know how to do this).
                            These guided breathing sessions can help people to relax and lower stress levels. Maybe before an important interview (or after, or both)?

                            The great thing about these apps/services/etc is they are optional. If you can meditate then great, you don’t need it. But average Bob (sorry Bob, we love you really!) who works a 50hr week at a computer in a high stress job doesn’t know how to meditate and something like this could (i emphasise could) really help him and his welbing.

                            The more options there are for people to help themselves the better I think 🙂

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                              "New alert: you spent few hours outdoor, go grab some fun! " ?

                              Picking the example of @suzzlo , havince some “peace of mind” is having also tools that are simplier/easy enough for you to use “on the go” and suit your needs, and not a zillion things.
                              For example the imensity of menus on the garmin makes me nervous. Everytime I need to do something I am lost there. Also it is not useful to have every feature if then it will not work ok and make you frustraded.
                              Curious to see what will come from here 😃

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                              • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
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                                @olymay said in Silence of Mind...:

                                The great thing about these apps/services/etc is they are optional. If you can meditate then great, you don’t need it. But average Bob (sorry Bob, we love you really!) who works a 50hr week at a computer in a high stress job doesn’t know how to meditate and something like this could (i emphasise could) really help him and his welbing.

                                But doesn’t that prolong the issue (working 50h) , giving some placebo comfort , rather than making Bob say it’s not ok anymore ?

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                                  Here’s my Silence of Mind from Cornwall, earlier this week 😉
                                  DSC_9582-2.jpg

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                                  • Fenr1rF Offline
                                    Fenr1r @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
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                                    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos I find this “silence of mind” metric thing disturbing. I hesitate to imagine what perpetually measuring it would do.

                                    We might be moving into observer effect territory.

                                    As Heisenberg (or maybe Pinkman) once wrote:

                                    “The examined buzz is inherently harshed.”

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                                      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Fenr1r
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                                      @fenr1r why would you measure that ?

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                                      • Fenr1rF Offline
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                                        @dimitrios-kanellopoulos It was mostly a joke - an application of quantum mechanics to the unexamined life trope. Plus watch stuff.

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                                          @fenr1r useful for path finding. Taking all the paths at the same time

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                                            I spent years with masters from asia (and other parts of the world) practicing meditation and breathing. As a typical ‘western guy’ I had not the faintest idea how deep you can get into that topic and how superficial my knowledge about breathing as a whole was. When modern trackers measure HRV metrics they can visualize the ratio of parasympathetic and symphatic activity, but in Asia this concept is known for thousands of years in the form of “yin and yang”. When you are stressed or working out your body gets “yang” and if you keep going like that, your whole system will get “too yang” which will lead to physical and psychological problems. Almost everyone in our modern, western society is too yang nowadays. Meditation and mindful breathing, bringing awareness into your body are “yin” practices and help to balance those yang lifestyle. So if people use trackers or watches to get started to become more “yin” and get back into balance, this is a first step and IMO the right way to do. Sadly, most people are not even aware of being completely out of balance, thinking that going further or working out harder will make them stronger but everything in nature that does not stay in balance will eventually perish.

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