Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?

Brad_Olwin

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

@brad_olwinFor me this is a very serious drawback and again I say it makes no sense the whole concept of a watch whose main function is to be GPS navigation !!! Imagine three days moving in the high mountains in an absolutely unknown and wild place, without marked trails, without internet connection. Every day you make a track in the clock with the idea to go back the same way! On the fourth day you go back, but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke, you lost your phone, the rain got it wet and it blocked … And what if I have a watch (depending on the phone in question) with GPS navigation, with a battery of up to 170 hours, a watch that is so strong and protected that it will work even after an atomic bomb ??? What exactly will it do for me in this situation - maybe to measure my heart rate (if I could and blood pressure: D) to find out how angry I am with the ridiculous situation …

I do a lot of off trail “runs” and SkiMo in the mountains. Either I make sure I have maps on my phone, they are downloaded and I know how to use them (my phone is more or less waterproof) and when out on multi day trips I will carry a paper map and a compass that I know how to use. Sorry but I would never depend on exclusively on the watch to navigate, no matter whether a watch had maps or not. So for me, and this is my opinion only, I use the watch so I do not have to take out a map frequently. However, when in new places I typically will check the map on my phone often, once every two hours or so……

Efejota

Same here iOS beta 2.4.1 (8996). GPX import is not possible (toggle button makes no difference). As previously stated, it is also impossible to have a route from an activity, make it a route and transfer to the watch without internet connection.

I do agree with @Brad_Olwin and @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos that this latter might be a very specific case. However, I find it of some use in certain circumstances where you need to save phone battery or connection is very poor or even inexistent. For people coming from A3P, for instance, is difficult to assume that you cannot do it in S9B. Also, if that possibility is present in Android, is hard to share its absence in iOS.

margusl

@efejota said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

For people coming from A3P, for instance, is difficult to assume that you cannot do it in S9B

Exactly. It’s one those small features that almost never ends up being a selling point, but there’s always a group of users picking it up and taking it as granted, even if they use it just once a year. I wouldn’t consider it as a safety feature, but it sure was nice to retrace part of trail run from last week or going though some unplanned/ah-hoc guiding and leading a group to the starting point of previous tour without too much bushwhacking. .

Another brand has pushed it a bit further by allowing to plot the track of any pervious activity still in the watch on top of the current, really nice for picking return points for those early morning phone-free strolls and jogs in the woods that you know bit less than assumed.

David Young

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos

BREADCRUMB

Breadcrumb didn’t give me anything.

I started a new exercise on leaving home and ended it on arriving at my destination. 15 or 20 mins later I started back home. I looked on the watch for the Breadcrumb, but could find nothing.

So I reckon the watch might have kept the Breadcrumb for a few minutes, then got rid of it.

Scary if you were relying on it!

Personally I can live with the phone option, and anyway my Traverse still works perfectly. But I worry when I read that IOS version is missing even the phone option! Suppose that Suunto decide to synchronise the different versions of the app and remove the phone option from Android as well?

So I urge anyone who thinks this is an important piece of functionality to get on to Suunto and tell them.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@david-young uh , did you restart the activity ? Then the breadcrumb is gone.

No need to be SO Loud , it works well you just have to know how to use it.

Efejota

@david-young breadcrumb is designed to last for the duration of the activity. If you finish it, breadcrumbs are eaten by the birds It is equivalent to the A3P function of take me back or something similar (reversing the route), with the difference that you just have to follow back the drawn route.

Of course, there is a problem if you, for instance, plan a two days activity, finish the first one, go to sleep and in the morning decides to go back. Then, you will need to have the route back previously planned or sync with your phone, bad thing if you run out of battery or, worse, you are in an area without coverage. There lays the main limitation of the iOS system, in my opinion.

Important as this feature may seem for some of us, please, take into consideration that good manners are always a good advice in any forum.

J

wakarimasen

I may have the wrong end of the stick: if so, I apologise…

A couple of weeks ago, I made a route (from A-B) in Komoot, and transferred it so my Spartan Sport WHR Baro via the Suunto app. On reaching ‘B,’ I stopped the activity and had lunch. For the return (B-A) I simply selected the same route and started walking: the watch recognised I was walking ‘the other way’ and navigated the reverse route. Would the S9B behave differently?

DMytro

@wakarimasen no

wakarimasen

@дима-мельниченко Phew! That’s good news! This ‘smartness’ is one of the reasons I sold watches from two other brands

DMytro

@wakarimasen keep in mind that in case of TbT navigation, waypoints are not reversed (at the moment?)

wakarimasen

@дима-мельниченко Good to know! The TBT wasn’t present on the Spartan, so I’m keen to try it on my new watch!

David Young

Suunto seem to have removed from the S9 the code that converts a record to a route and they’ve put it in Suunto App instead.

So provided you have your phone with you, you can still make a route. You don’t need wifi, Bluetooth is fine.

This is with Android.

nikshot

When I fell in love with Suunto, I used A2, this model was created for wildlife, today’s C9 with its dependencies on phone, internet and operating systems make it an urban model. I want to say that the new application is great and useful and raises the level of the clock, but we must distinguish between the two. When we are in the wild, Suunto must depend solely on itself, no phones, androids, iOS, etc. When we return to civilization let him make connections by phone and attached and transfer his information.

Mff73

@nikshot
And with A2, you didn’t have offline sync of activities in the wild. So, multidays trip, with only some powerbank or refuges to refuelled, but you may loose activities with a watch full and no way to sync first days.

nikshot

@mff73I I don’t have it with the S9 either, and what if they are in the phone when I can’t use them … And with the A2 I have never lost activities.

cosme.costa

I have the S9B and I think that right now, regarding navigation, it is very very good, things can be improved of course but I really like it. I’m not the kind of guy that likes to be lost for some days in the woods, one morning/day is enough.

I think all of us are right and I think that what @nikshot asks for is a nice feature to have in the watch. I do not know how difficult is to do that, the info is there but maybe compressed and the watch is not capable of handle it, only Suunto knows.

@david-young the S9 and Spartans have never had this feature, and Ambits and Spartans/Sline have completely different OS.

Brad_Olwin

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

@mff73I I don’t have it with the S9 either, and what if they are in the phone when I can’t use them … And with the A2 I have never lost activities.

Yes, you do have offline sync without internet. I just checked mine again and I can upload a route to the watch with no internet. I am one version ahead on beta but this has been working for some time. I do not know if it works in the App Store version.
Here is a screen video recording. https://drive.google.com/file/d/18UfouL8ggmJ7SAtjLJBCTqRuDnn8CqtA/view?usp=sharing

A Former User

@brad_olwin yeah, when a route is present in your list is okay, that is working in the public release too. Now try the following on your next activity: put phone on airplane mode, track your activity as usual with your watch, when finished sync activity with Suunto app, save track as a route, sync back the route to your watch.
As I understood this is what @nikshot tries to accomplish and it’s not working on iOS. I can confirm this with my setup.

Brad_Olwin

@andrasveres Correct, I think we all know that this is not possible. Many were stating that loading routes offline was not working, I wanted to document that offline route loading is possible. And as discussed, there are workarounds for the specific case.

A Former User

@brad_olwin said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

I wanted to document that offline route loading is possible.

Correct, but only if previously a route is loaded into Suunto app. If someone is sharing a GPX file with me and my phone has no internet connection, I cannot import the route, on iOS at least.

But then again, I share the same belief as you mentioned: one should adequately prepare for a trip to an unfamiliar place.