Will Suunto 7 get WearOS 3.0?
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I think Samsung will adapt Wear to the existing hardware and use the own processor (Exynos). Specs of the battery capacity are given and there is no improvement. Looks like the usage of the existing hardware.
The other company using not a Qualcomm processor is Casio (Exynos processor in the GSW-H1000 with exynos kernel).
Let’s see …
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@aleksander-h doesn’t everyone that “really” wants spotify offline have it already?
All you need to do is sideload spotify lite via XDA. There’s no compromise, the media button works like it’s running the normal wear spotify app.I go on my runs without my phone (offline map of my area), bluetooth headphone connected to the watch, playing spotify offline
Sidenote: i “forget” the headphones after every run, then re-pair them because there is no bluetooth priority feature on Android. I also turn off phone bluetooth before I pair them.
Sounds like a lot but it feels automatic and done within a minute or 2. -
Mobvoi has confirmed that the Ticwatch Pro 3 will get the wear update.
Interesting considering its the 4100 chip with no coprocessor (so wonder how they will work the updates to take advantage of the coprocesser).If the 4100 can, sort of makes me think the 3100 should be able to.
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@eurohiker said in Will Suunto 7 get WearOS 3.0?:
@aleksander-h doesn’t everyone that “really” wants spotify offline have it already?
All you need to do is sideload spotify lite via XDA.Most that I have seen that use it complain about it, but then seems as equally bad for Tizen users.
I find the Garmin one works a treat, but then it seems to be running through the Garmin software, rather than as a seperate app (but could be wrong about that - but think it is as use the same for Amazon music, Spotify and or your own music - you just change the source.
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@jamie-bg give it a shot, it takes max 5 min to do, I use it daily for runs and i haven’t had a single issue for any of my past Suunto 7s. I do have an issue with pairing my headphones sometimes since I re-pair (after forgetting) them each time I run.
Spotify+Lite+1.5.84.89.36821-wearos] works the best I would post the linkfile on here but I don’t know if i’m allowed but if you search “[APP][MOD] Spotify Lite - scaled for standalone use on Wear OS xda” on google and go to post #189 page 10 it’s there.
steps:
Step1: go to settings - system - about - tap build # 7 times
Step2: go to settings - developer settings - adb debug -adb wifi debug on
step3: download apk on computer
step4: go to the folder with the APK in it “Shift + right click” open powershell
step5: go to the wifi on your watch click on it - get the ip address (should be 192.168.x.xx)
Step6: powershell type: “adb connect 192.168.x.xx:5555” (your watch ip address + the port 5555)
step7: powershell type: “adb -e install appname.apk” (type in the app name where i wrote the app name)The instructions on the internet aren’t very clear for sideloading which is why people that don’t normally tinker with android have issue. I assure you that you will not have a single issue.
Important step i missed: Within Spotify - fill out all your info and it won’t let you log into the app, force close it, then when you open it again you will automatically be logged in. Then you pick your playlist and download offline. After you download the playlist on the offline spotify UI which is different and small font. Once you shuffle/play song it uses the WearOS spotify UI and controls.
“Mobvoi has confirmed that the Ticwatch Pro 3 will get the wear update.”
Interesting, thanks for sharing! This makes me feels better tbh since it’s usually the chinese hardware (minus oneplus) that don’t upgrade their software. While suunto is using a different chip, they are typically pretty good with updating.
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@eurohiker
No premium account with spotify as refuse to pay them for one, when they will not provide an app for me.Currently use Amazon music on my Fenix 6 as have premium with them for all the echo shows in the home (my wife and kids love it) - super easy to use too (just wish it did a better job of voice recognition, but then I do have a super broad accent that even google struggles a bit with - definitely best voice recognition).
Have a set of bluetooth treblab headset - works fine no cut outs. Biggest issue is volume level is too high, high even at min levels. -
@jamie-bg said in Will Suunto 7 get WearOS 3.0?:
Mobvoi has confirmed that the Ticwatch Pro 3 will get the wear update.
Apparently that was a mistake/misunderstanding. https://9to5google.com/2021/06/10/no-mobvoi-hasnt-confirmed-the-wear-os-3-0-update-for-ticwatch-pro-3/
They can neither confirm nor deny it at this point.
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@aleksander-h
I think we are going to see a lot of this, as manufacturers really need to see “new api” {understand it isn’t that new and is previous wear os versions based), coding etc and determine how feasible it is.Also did think it weird that they could when the 4100 doesn’t have a coprocessor and wear 3.0 is all about the coprocessor and saving battery by using it properly (just like Suunto has done on the S7) - which is why I think that its actually far more likely that its feasible for a 3100 chip than a 4100 chip.
Saying that I saw that someone has stated that Oppo will not be updating their watches, any with wear 3.0 will be new model.
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Just to clarify a couple things that are fact. The new Casio watch is running a Samsung chip but it’s an older one they have had since the Gear S3 Frontier not the non released one. Second Spotify had an exclusive contract with Samsung for Offline use with Tizen. Once Samsung commited to Wear OS the contract was voided which is why it’s also now available for the Apple Watch also. I worked for Samsung and have some friends still on the inside. Suunto as well as others legitimately don’t know if the software will run properly yet because the full release of everything won’t happen until after the Samsung event here in a couple weeks. Even Samsungs own current watches won’t run it and the 3100 is way older and that makes the coprocessor way less relevant for day to day OS speeds and operations.
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@jeremiah-dudek it’s a very unsure time for all Suunto 7 owners and potential Suunto 7 owners. To add further to the possibility that things won’t be updated I see REI has marked the sunnto 7 down to $279. A watch that launched at $499 and in about a year is now retailing for about half that price and with no clear successor in place, makes me think the watch won’t be sticking around nor seeing major updates going forward sadly.
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@brotzfrog10 I’m quite certain that Suunto will continue to support it and several of the new app features like integrated Spotify downloads will be on the Google side so that’s good. The biggest problem is there realistically isn’t much more Suunto can do. It’s ahead of it’s time hardware with excellent support with internals that were way outdated the even before the watch originally sold. Even if it gets the new update I can’t imagine the hardware will be able to magically transform into a huge battery savings. As a manufacturer I wouldn’t put a qualcomm anything in a smartwatch not even a 4100 because there is no reason to trust them to support it long term anyway. That was just a minimal effort bandaid anyway that seemed like a huge jump when it was more that everything else was so bad. The good news is that once everything gets sorted out no doubt Suunto will jump in and they already learned a ton and will come out of the gate firing on all cylinders. They should fire sale these at under $200 and get as many more out there as they can while they can. $280 isn’t going to do it but the next one will be outstanding.
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My experience from Windows phones and Android phones is that I am excited to get an update to a new version of the OS, but when the update is done I release that there is nothing very exciting new stuff that I didn’t have before. At the moment I am very happy with my Suunto 7 and I will get even happier when I get Google Pay and hopefully Spotify Offline. It would be cool to get the new Wear (OS) 3.0, but at the same time I’m not so sure that it will make my perception of the Suunto 7 any better.
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@aeroild - very true.
Some of the big changes announced, are effectively what suunto has already done.
@brotzfrog10 - the price decrease could be wear related, but I really don’t think so. the older model types have been on discount - 21% for over 6 months now in the UK, so having them increase to 31% discount for a +1 year model isn’t outrageous and really suggests anything.
Especially when you consider that most people thought (and I did a little bit too) that the original price was too much - think suunto did too , as within 5 months you could pick it up on the occasional 21% discount. The 21% discount made the watch price much more feasible - still more expensive than TWP3 and the fossil, but within £50 of TWP3/Moto, and more important signifcantly cheaper than latest AW and GW3. Note that since then both AW and GW3 have both dropped, and not suprised that S7 dropped again too, to try and keep that price favourability compared to AW & GW3 (PS - well aware this doesn’t work in USA, as AW is so heavily discounted there compared to rest of world where it isn’t). Makes a huge amount of sense when you are trying to break into a market - by increasing/showing S7 in different markets as to Suunto’s usual it will help drive their sales elsewhere. Remember Suunto is considered as a niche market, and is still very much more European than International, so geting the name out there, even if not making a profit, can make profit elsewhere. -
@aeroild same here even as a developer.
Usually I am happy to update and then some bloating on my phone happens. I was not happy to go from 10 to 11 especially with the new notifications layout. I get really lost.
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@eurohiker uh? Fossil Chinese? Surely a USA company?
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I would of course love an update to WearOS 3, but I’m very happy with the Suunto 7 as it is. And I’m doubtful that they could squeeze much more out of the 3100. Not going to complain if it’s not updated.
But in a year or so, I’d love to see a Suunto 8 with the 4100 plus or maybe even a newer processor and bigger battery.
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@harboe said in Will Suunto 7 get WearOS 3.0?:
But in a year or so, I’d love to see a Suunto 8
I’ve always assumed they’d just call it something like the Suunto 7 gen 2. After all, they can’t exactly call a gen 3 the Suunto 9
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Qualcomm has now commented regarding 3.0 support, and I found their choice of wording interesting.
https://9to5google.com/2021/06/16/qualcomm-snapdragon-3100-wear-os-capable/
We are working with Google on bringing Wear OS 3.0 to Snapdragon Wear 4100+ and 4100 platforms. Snapdragon Wear 3100, 4100+ and 4100 platforms are capable of supporting Wear OS 3.0, but we are not discussing any specifics at this time.
Although they say that the Wear 3100 is capable, they only mention working with Google on the 4100 and 4100+.
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@aleksander-h said in Will Suunto 7 get WearOS 3.0?:
Qualcomm has now commented regarding 3.0 support, and I found their choice of wording interesting.
https://9to5google.com/2021/06/16/qualcomm-snapdragon-3100-wear-os-capable/
We are working with Google on bringing Wear OS 3.0 to Snapdragon Wear 4100+ and 4100 platforms. Snapdragon Wear 3100, 4100+ and 4100 platforms are capable of supporting Wear OS 3.0, but we are not discussing any specifics at this time.
Although they say that the Wear 3100 is capable, they only mention working with Google on the 4100 and 4100+.
That is most likely because Qualcomm can sell the 4100 and 4100+ for more money, thus it makes sense for them to encourage manufacturers towards these chips.
(Although that may just be the cynic in me!).In my opinion, Qualcomm are one of the chief architects behind the poor showing of WearOS so far. They have consistently produced underpowered chips on old technology that are not power efficient. They are at least 4-5 years (probably more) behind Apple in the chip department.
A slow and power hungry watch is never going to sell.(Yes, Google still take a large chunk of blame for not developing WearOS to it’s full potential or for forcing chip manufacturers to pull their fingers out. I also blame hardware manufacturers (like Fossil, Mobvoi, and others) for churning out a contestant stream of low quality low value WearOS devices they have no intention of supporting longer than 5 minutes. This does not encourage hardware or software development and ensure the consumer sees WearOS as a low quality system. I wish more people could see just what WearOS is capable off with devices such as the Suunto 7 (and here Sunnto needs to take some blame for not advertising it well enough)).
Just my thoughts.
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@olymay said in Will Suunto 7 get WearOS 3.0?:
and here Sunnto needs to take some blame for not advertising it well enough
I actually saw quite a bit of marketing for the S7 here in Oslo, Norway.