GPS normal?
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@theguyfromthesummit have you tried just GPS only without any additional system?
In the mountains with challenging conditions usually I get good results with GPS+GLONASS though.I remember the Sony chipset had this wobbling issue at the beginning.
Just to check: It your watch firmware up to date?
Have you tried to follow the procudure:- soft reset watch (12 upper button)
- load AGPS data from the Suunto App
- wait a few minuted for the watch to parse the data
- get GPS fix
- wait a little for the GPS fix to stabilize before heading off
Cheers from northern Germany
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@jokeen2020 yesterday,I went for an exercise and Ive turned on auto-pause. When I was passing through underground passage, auto-pause was activated probably due the lost of GPS as my speed was much more that 2km/h
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@egika Thanks for the suggestions. But I already tried that.
Today it was really bad - LTE on the phone and S9B had no GPS all. Even at the summit without any challenging terrain my S9B couldnât even show my loaded route due to no GPS signal
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@_marcus_ said in GPS normal?:
@theguyfromthesummit but thatâs the question. Elevation most of the time is the same than with my Apex Pro during trailrunning. But distance is not. S9P always records more km. Today Apex Pro 11,39km/504m+ vs S9P 12,14km/496m+. Of course I donât know which is correct. But seeing the track makes me think that S9P overestimates the distance a bit. Ok, in the end you get a better pace with S9P
My training partner has a Garmin Enduro and I use a S9P. On our hill runs of 20km(ish) and 500m or so of vert I usually finish up to 400m ahead of him whereas he gets a significant chunk of ascentâŠ
Iâm happy to read that it looks like the S9 ascent âissueâ is being addressed in an upcoming update; over the course of a week I reckon I must lose hundreds of metres of vert ?!
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@miniforklift said in GPS normal?:
@_marcus_ said in GPS normal?:
@theguyfromthesummit but thatâs the question. Elevation most of the time is the same than with my Apex Pro during trailrunning. But distance is not. S9P always records more km. Today Apex Pro 11,39km/504m+ vs S9P 12,14km/496m+. Of course I donât know which is correct. But seeing the track makes me think that S9P overestimates the distance a bit. Ok, in the end you get a better pace with S9P
My training partner has a Garmin Enduro and I use a S9P. On our hill runs of 20km(ish) and 500m or so of vert I usually finish up to 400m ahead of him whereas he gets a significant chunk of ascentâŠ
Iâm happy to read that it looks like the S9 ascent âissueâ is being addressed in an upcoming update; over the course of a week I reckon I must lose hundreds of metres of vert ?!
And which one is closer to real value of ascent?
On my experience some Garmins if they have the continuous altimeter calibration on produce higher ascent numbers. -
@andré-faria on my skimo tours we compared Fenix 6x Pro, S9B and COROS Vertix. S9B elevation was 5-10% lower than the others. But it had more kilometers.
On trailrunning elevation is close together between S9P and Apex Pro, but S9P records more kilometers and its GPX Track has more wobbling eben when I go straight up. Or with other words: Apex Pro track is smoother and more realistic.
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@theguyfromthesummit
Here the GPS track
I followed the paths and pressed pause at the summit, so all this jumping around was during the way up or downâŠ
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@andré-faria said in GPS normal?:
And which one is closer to real value of ascent?
On my experience some Garmins if they have the continuous altimeter calibration on produce higher ascent numbers.Always difficult to judge, it depends on terrain and the definition of ascent (that may seem straightforward, but it is not).
The S9 baro and peak have issues (currently) with hilly terrain, while they perform very well in continuous uphill/downhill. The ascent/descent algorithm is being worked on, and current testing shows very good results, without making it too sensitive.
Truth is often in the middle, e.g. running on very flat terrain in Amsterdam Suunto often gives me 0 ascent/descent, while Garmin gives me tens of meters of up and down that do not exist.
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@theguyfromthesummit that looks like a pretty terrible track, and it also looks like there was no GNSS signal at all in multiple points. In my experience the S9 baro works very well in the mountains, so this is very strange. Are you on trails or climbing? Are there steep gorges around? It should really not look like that.
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi
The first part of the ascent looked like photo 1.The last view meters were steeper, but actually only one side was obstructed by the peak (a bit of scrambling)
The final meters wer exposed (photo 2)
My phone had always a nice GPS connection.
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@theguyfromthesummit sorry of off-topic, but which summit is that? Looks great!
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@theguyfromthesummit it looks like I expected, the track in those conditions should not be this bad, and should not lose satellite fix
You said your watch was working better in the past. Anything changed? Do you think a hard reset (reinstalling the firmware with a clean sweep) could help?
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi
It all started with the 2.16.26 update in June/ July. The old software worked fine and I didnât change anything.
I give the hard reset a try and reinstall the firmware.Thanks!
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@dmytro
No worries:Path up to kleine Ochsenwand.
In picture: Steingrubenkogel and MarchreisenspitzeTirol - Kalchkögel
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@theguyfromthesummit I completely agree. With latest update Ive noticed too that S9 was more reliable and accurate with previous firmware.
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@Ćukasz-szmigiel
Absolutely agree with Lukasz on this.
Haven noticed this on the S7 and on the F6xPS. I noticed sometimes my distances would be slightly out and when I check my post activity maps I noticed that I the track didnât always have me starting at the same place. So the next time I ran I waited for the affirmation of good GPS fix, and then I went into the maps. 80% of the time your icon is on your position, but the other 20% of the time it wasnât (was within 100m), and giving that extra bit of time 30s-60s was always enough time for it the position fix to be on your exact spot. -
@jamie-bg Iâve seen this issue of âwait a little bit longerâ on the forum that I really think a new way of informing users of GPS fix quality should be developed. Either change the threshold when the watch responds with green arrow or make an intermediate phase, like âno fixâ - âok fixâ - âgood fixâ. You can start the workout with âok fixâ and itâll most probably get better during first 15 minutes of workout but you can wait a little longer for it to stabilize and be good from the start.
S9PP 2.37.48
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@Ćukasz-szmigiel Per my opinion there is a space for improvement in S9 line firmware/features in terms of stability/accuracy. For now I would be satisifed if exisitng one could be âstabilsedâ
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@Ćukasz-szmigiel - problem with that is people then complain that it takes too long to get a fixâŠIn most cases on average most people donât overly get worried with a 100m or so difference.
Canât win either way - either complain too long - or complain not accurate enoughâŠ
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@jamie-bg you can. Redesign slightly the GPS icon. Make it filled as it is right now for âok fixâ and add a minuscule detail for âgood fixâ.
Those who donât care wonât notice and itâll be backwards compatible but those who see the difference and for whom it matters will know what to look for.
But itâll never get implemented as itâll take too long to design / develop / test while bringing too little of an improvement and we all know that
