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    • luke55L Offline
      luke55 @Matúš
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      @Matúš

      Usually, I don’t wear the watch during the day, except when I start an activity of course
      Maybe this is the cause of the lack of VFC data ?
      I will keep it during the day and see what happens.

      I don’t understand why it frequently happens that the watch says I start sleeping 2h after I go to bed and turn off the light, it happens this night and I am sure I felt asleep quite rapidly
      You say that sleep tracking starts and stops based on movement , but how is made the distinction between the different sleep phases, I assume heartrate is used ?

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        Matúš Bronze Member @luke55
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        @luke55 said in No VFC data:

        @Matúš

        Usually, I don’t wear the watch during the day, except when I start an activity of course
        Maybe this is the cause of the lack of VFC data ?
        I will keep it during the day and see what happens.

        Let’s give it a try! It sounds reasonable that the watch needs to “learn” your daily average behaviour in order to work properly in terms of sleep tracking, available resources, etc…

        I don’t understand why it frequently happens that the watch says I start sleeping 2h after I go to bed and turn off the light, it happens this night and I am sure I felt asleep quite rapidly

        Maybe it’s because of what I’ve written above so, if you wear your watch exactly when you go to bed, it does not “understand” what is really going on.

        You say that sleep tracking starts and stops based on movement , but how is made the distinction between the different sleep phases, I assume heartrate is used ?

        Exactly, the HR measurement must be on and working properly.

        Suunto 9 Peak Pro Titanium Slate
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        • luke55L Offline
          luke55 @Matúš
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          @Matúš

          I kept the watch all the day long Tuesday and wednesday.
          I got a daily value for Tuesday …, but nothing for wednesday.
          For wednesday, the only difference was that I did an activity from 10h to 17h, I don’t understand why this could prevent VFC tracking ??
          Sleep tracking was as usual, not really accurate.

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          • Sebastian Wagner 0S Offline
            Sebastian Wagner 0
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            hi, i have 6 weeks of great sleep and hrv tracking. now out of the blue i have no hrv tracking the last two nights.
            sleep tracking is normal, but no hrv. it started after the last time i loaded the battery.
            hrv is enabled. so i have no clue why there is no hrv the last to nights. today i powerd the race off and on and hope i get hrv the next night.

            t3c / ambit / spartan sport /spartan titanium ultra / race

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              luke55 @Sebastian Wagner 0
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              @Sebastian-Wagner-0
              Hi,

              You are lucky, over the past 50 days, Hrv tracking worked … 5 times.
              The rest of the time, when I wake up, the watch says : no HRV data.
              Sleep tracking seems to work correctly, well, at least it gives results.
              I already reinitialized the watch, no effect

              I contacted Suunto support, no news over the past week.

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                Matúš Bronze Member @luke55
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                @luke55, what do you mean with “daily value” for Tuesday/Wednesday? HRV data are evaluated only during the night, thus, taking in account one day, the HRV data are always referred to the night before.

                Yesterday morning, so Wednesday, you should have got the HRV data from the night between Tuesday and Wednesday; this morning, you should have got the HRV data referred to the last night, so between Wednesday and Thursday.

                Suunto 9 Peak Pro Titanium Slate
                Suunto Spartan Sport

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                • inkognitoI Offline
                  inkognito Platinum Member @luke55
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                  @luke55 Could you perhaps try to let someone else wear your watch for a night or two? 😀 From the chart you posted it looks that your measured HRV was quite low. Perhaps the algorithm struggles with very low values…

                  SV: fingers crossed :D
                  S9 (non-baro): died after 2 months, replaced, holding strong since 03/20
                  Spartan Trainer: casing broke after 23 months, repaired, lost watertightness 5 months later, died
                  Despite some pretty bad luck, I still love Suunto!

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                  • luke55L Offline
                    luke55 @Matúš
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                    @Matúš
                    What I mean is:
                    Tuesday morning, I got a value for the past night, 18ms.
                    Wednesday, and Thursday as well, I got no value at all, exactly like almost every day since I am wearing the watch.
                    Look at the screen dump I posted above.
                    Over 60 days, I got only 5 values, approximately between 12 and 36ms, full stop.
                    If the watch is able to detect and measure my heartrate, it should be able to measure this HRV as well !

                    I will ask my wife to take it for the night, and see.

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                      Matúš Bronze Member @luke55
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                      @luke55 said in No VFC data:

                      Over 60 days, I got only 5 values, approximately between 12 and 36ms, full stop.

                      S9PP here and I have HRV values normally around 30/35 (ok, slightly higher than yours, but anyway pretty low…): I do not know if 9PP and Race HRV algorithm or the “minimum thresholds” are different, but for me it works.

                      If the watch is able to detect and measure my heartrate, it should be able to measure this HRV as well !

                      During the daytime, does the HR measurement work properly?

                      I will ask my wife to take it for the night, and see.

                      👍👍

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                      Suunto Spartan Sport

                      #swatt

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                      • luke55L Offline
                        luke55 @Matúš
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                        @Matúš

                        Last night, my wife got a value, I will repeat the test to make sure it was not by luck.

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                        • luke55L Offline
                          luke55 @Matúš
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                          @Matúš

                          My wife again got a value last night.
                          I tried wearing the watch on the other wrist, or on the inside of the wrist, no change.

                          Apparently there is something wrong with me, but if this is the case, I wonder why I got some values in the beginning, and why it stopped.

                          I quite disapointed by Suunto support, no news from them since two week-end now.
                          I have a ticket open, but apparently they do not care.

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                            Matúš Bronze Member @luke55
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                            @luke55, what about her values? Are them very different with respect to the few yours?

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                            Suunto Spartan Sport

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                            • luke55L Offline
                              luke55 @Matúš
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                              @Matúš

                              They are both around 20ms, similar to mine…
                              I think I am just going to stop keeping the watch during the night , since the output is either wrong or just inexistant.

                              By the way, my wife compared the sleep data given by her watch (Garmin Venu 2) with the data from the Race, they are totally different.
                              I know the Venu 2 has a good reputation for heartrate and sleep tracking , my opinion is that the Race still requires some improvements on this aspect !

                              Wait and see

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                                TitaniumDave Bronze Member @luke55
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                                @luke55 Sleep tracking and VFC rely on heart rate for now. I think it’s a bug myself. If you don’t have heart rate tracking enabled then watch will not track sleep. According to the manual sleep tracking is movement based only, however, it cannot track your VFC without tracking your heart rate, which makes sense. I keep heart rate tracking off during the day and turn it on at night before I go to bed and back off again in the morning. I hope this bug gets fixed soon. Very annoying!

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                                • Sebastian Wagner 0S Offline
                                  Sebastian Wagner 0
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                                  some news regarding my hrv measurement.
                                  after the flawless tracking the first 6 weeks, i got problems with the hrv tracking. the last week i had the hrv measurement back. yesterday evening i made the watch strap a tick looser and last night no hrv tracking. sleep and hr where measured. so maybe hrv tracking need a more snug fit fir tracking then hr and sleep. will test it next night.

                                  t3c / ambit / spartan sport /spartan titanium ultra / race

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                                  • luke55L Offline
                                    luke55 @Sebastian Wagner 0
                                    last edited by luke55

                                    @Sebastian-Wagner-0

                                    No change on my side, still no HRV and no help from support
                                    Even better, this morning , the Race reported
                                    a correct heartrate …, but a 3 hours siesta fron 23h30 to 02h30 !!!
                                    Is this serious !!

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                                    • cosme.costaC Offline
                                      cosme.costa @luke55
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                                      @luke55 I think that has been told that there is a bug affecting some people that will be addressed in the next FW update.

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                                      • Sebastian Wagner 0S Offline
                                        Sebastian Wagner 0
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                                        With the more snug fit of the Watch strap. I got my HRV back.

                                        t3c / ambit / spartan sport /spartan titanium ultra / race

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