Suunto Routeplanner

sky-runner

@Nigel-Taylor-0 Yes, importing waypoints via GPX does work as long as it is a simple route. But now imagine a situation when a route goes through that waypoint twice. Should that waypoint get triggered when you go through it the first time or the second time, or both? In the Suunto case it would be randomly either the first time or the second time. In the Garmin case, it used to be the bug at least in Fenix 7 - the waypoint wouldn’t trigger at all if it didn’t have a distance assigned to it. I have personally reported it on the Garmin forum and if I remember correctly they have fixed it a few years later.

And if you think that the case I described above is not typical, in every single trail running race that I’ve done in the last few years (at least a dozen), some of the aid stations were visited twice. So I had to really jump through the hoop to make this work correctly with Suunto. With Garmin, as long as I created waypoints in Garmin Connect or Strava, or in PlotARoute with FIT export, this worked correctly.

Mff73

As per my own search and understanding, the issue is not purely related to the file format (fit or gpx) but more related to the fact that Suunto routes seems not to manage coordinates along with distance or timestamps (any of them would suffice) (as @sky-runner is explaining) (gpx could do this as well as @nigel-taylor-0 is saying also).
Fit or gpx, it is more how routes and Waypoints are handled in Suunto routing current mecanisms. Currently, if I did understand well, WP are some kind POI on the route (track) but without “when will they appear on the route” data.
But I can be corrected, it is not recent since I have looked into this.

atoponce

@kemetter There seems to be a bug in the distance scale along the x-axis when looking at the altitude profile.

Here is a long road run I’m planning. The jumps per grid line are erratic:

https://routeplanner.suunto.com/?route=antelope-island-causway-1773616961583&style=outdoor&bottomBar=open

0 km
1 km (+1 km)
2 km (+1 km)
4 km (+2 km)
12 km (+8 km)
17 km (+5 km)
21 km (+4 km)
28 km (+7 km)
29 km (+1 km)
30 km (+1 km)

This is also consistent with a future planned mountain trail run also:

https://routeplanner.suunto.com/?route=thurston-francis-peaks-1773617342537&style=outdoor&bottomBar=open

0 km
2 km (+2 km)
4 km (+2 km)
6 km (+2 km)
9 km (+3 km)
16 km (+7 km)
23 km (+7 km)
27 km (+4 km)
29 km (+2 km)
33 km (+4 km)

Has this bug been reported already? Or is there something to fix it?

Thanks.

Willy

@sky-runner
First this.
I don’t use Strava, Suunto, Garmin, nor .fit files.
I’m just reading along and respond to the next comment:

https://forum.suunto.com/post/185132

The GPX (trk) track mode with navigation wpt (waypoints) in Plotaroute is a Locus map track navigation method.
Unfortunately, Plotaroute does not offer the even simpler GPX (trk) track mode with navigation (trkpt) track points.

The TBTs are supersimply discreetly placed in the (trkpt) sym element, yielding so excellent results.
Any route planner—Strava, Suunto, etc if desired can eventually apply this as well. (someday ?).

In attachment: Issy Alps 50k_navtrk_12kmh.gpx

The demo GPX file is “discreetly” enriched with TBT trkpt’s , announced via trkpt’s inclusive the “separate” GPX wpt.
The via point info attached in the trkpt’s ensures their announcements is also automatically correctly timed.
The BRouter used for the demo file does not generate street names. The GPX format itself supports this as well if generated by the router engine of course.

The Android Cruiser GPS app uses this simple GPX navtrk format. (Locus Map imports and navigates this gpx file as well)
The Cruiser navigation audio alerts, triggered xxx meters before the turns or via trackpoints distance is customizable.
The audio alerts are set as TTS or a (loud) tone indication. (Different for L/R/S)

Example Si.gif

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Hamilton

Hey everyone!
After a lot of trial and error, I finally cracked a super simple way to turn any city walk into a personal audio-guided tour using just my Suunto watch + phone. No need for expensive apps or guided tours – works offline once set up, and it’s perfect for historic/architectural walks like in Oviedo, Spain.

The key combo:

Suunto Route Planner (web version: https://routeplanner.suunto.com/) for creating/planning the route and waypoints on a big screen.
list itemGPSmyCity tours (free self-guided walks with detailed descriptions): https://www.gpsmycity.com/tours/oviedo-historic-architecture-6280.html
list item@Voice Aloud Reader (Android TTS app) to read the tour descriptions aloud as you walk.

Step-by-step how I do it:

Pick a tour on GPSmyCity (e.g., “Oviedo Historic Architecture” – 2.7 km, ~2 hours, covers gems like Oviedo Town Hall, San Isidoro Church, Palace of the Counts of Toreno, Balesquida Chapel, Valdecarzana-Heredia Palace, and more – full list with descriptions on the page).
Open the page on your computer/phone → copy the full text (introduction + all stop descriptions). Paste into a note or Google Doc.
@Voice Aloud Reader:

Import/share the text → it will read everything aloud (choose a nice voice, adjust speed).
You can split into chapters by stop number for easy pause/resume, or just play sequentially.
Bonus: offline TTS – download voice packs if needed.

Create the route in Suunto Route Planner (browser):

Go to https://routeplanner.suunto.com/
Search for Oviedo → zoom in.
Manually add points/waypoints by clicking on the map at each stop’s approximate location (use the tour descriptions for exact spots).
Name each waypoint clearly (e.g., “1. Casa Consistorial de Oviedo (Town Hall)”, “2. Iglesia de San Isidoro”, etc.).
The tool auto-connects with paths/roads – tweak as needed.
Save the route → sync to your Suunto app → sync to watch (turn-by-turn navigation works great).

Important tip about waypoints/GPX (learned the hard way!):
Waypoints added/edited in the Suunto app often don’t sync back to the web Route Planner properly (or get lost).
Always export the route as GPX from the web planner BEFORE syncing to watch (or right after creating). Keep a copy on your phone/computer.
If you need to edit later – import the GPX back into the planner (waypoints usually load if they were created there originally). Waypoints from watch → app → web don’t transfer reliably.

Result: On the walk, your watch guides you point-to-point (arrow + distance to next waypoint). At each stop – pause navigation if needed, tell @Voice to continue reading the description/history of that exact building/sculpture/site. Feels like a real audio guide!
This works for ANY city/place – just find a similar tour on GPSmyCity (tons of free ones), or even Wikipedia/Wikiloc/AllTrails descriptions. Super flexible for travel!
Has anyone else tried something similar? What TTS app do you use? Any tricks for better waypoint handling in Suunto?
Happy trails! ️

Hamilton

For testing, I attached my route.gpx file.
route.gpx
Even Better Prep: Virtual Tour with AI + Satellite Maps Before You Go!
Want to make your walk 10x more exciting and personalized? Do a virtual preview right from home!

Open Google Maps / Google Earth (satellite view) or Apple Maps — zoom into your destination city (e.g., Oviedo historic center).
Switch to 3D/street view if available, or just satellite + street names.
Ask an AI (like Grok, ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini — any good one):
“Describe the top historic architecture highlights in Oviedo’s old town for someone who loves Pre-Romanesque and Baroque styles. Suggest a personalized walking order based on my interests: [your preferences, e.g., ancient fountains, cathedrals, hidden gems, avoid crowds]. Include why each spot is special and photo tips.”

The AI will happily give you a tailored list with explanations — often better than generic guides! For example, it might prioritize La Foncalada (9th-century fountain), San Tirso Church (Pre-Romanesque), the Gothic Cathedral, Foncalada Fountain, San Julián de los Prados (UNESCO Pre-Romanesque with frescoes), etc., and suggest starting at the Town Hall for the best flow.
Then:

Use the AI’s suggestions to fine-tune your waypoints in Suunto Route Planner (add custom notes like “Must-see: Victory Cross on Foncalada”).
Take screenshots of satellite views or AI descriptions — paste into your phone notes for offline reference.
Bonus: Ask AI for café recommendations at the end (e.g., “Best sidrería near Foncalada Fountain in Oviedo for a reward after the walk”).

This way, you arrive already “knowing” the places, spot hidden details faster, and feel like a local explorer. Your walk becomes truly customized — no more surprises (only good ones)!
Anyone tried AI for pre-trip route personalization? Share your prompts or results! ️

Willy

@kemetter

Please consider the following purely for informational purposes.
As I was particularly curious about the Suunto web GPX export.
The web presentation is actually very well done.
The GPX export differs from what I expected

See attachments:
Suunto_route.gpx
Suunto_navtrk.gpx

The Suunto GPX export and a comparable copy as a GPX navtrk file.
The original GPX file was manually edited for this purpose using Notepad++.
The GPX navrrk copy therefore so do not contain any trackpoint timestamps.
A few GPX WPTs have been added with a Garmin-compatible sym.
One of these GPX WPTs also contains an operational web link.
The GPX WPT list is not unnecessarily cluttered with turn instructions.
See also the presentation in the Cruiser desktop version.
Suunto manual edit gpx navtrk image.png

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Willy

@Mff73 said in Suunto Routeplanner:

It is more how routes and Waypoints are handled in Suunto routing current mecanisms.

@ all
The Suunto Web Planner gpx export includes items 1 and 2.

A “direct” gpx (rte) route. (Rarely used)
Some apps treat such “direct” routes as tracks.
Other apps may refuse to import or even do crash.
Suunto gpx extension.
The gpx extension ensures the *association between gpx rtept and unique corresponding gpx wpt that contains the instructions.

Find some gpx variants. (Inclusive Suunto gpx extension).
Can a volunteer (watch owner) import, test and report pse ?

A_Suunto_route.gpx (Original rte export)
B_Suunto_track.gpx (rte converted to trk)

C_Suunto_route+wpt.gpx (A + extra wpt)
D_Suunto_track+wpt.gpx (B + extra wpt)

E_Suunto_navtrk.gpx
F_Suunto_navtrk+wpt.gpx

G_Basic_navtrk.gpx (Contains no gpx wpt nor gpx extensions)

Association
The required strict association is handled differently in a Plotaroute (Locus) gpx export.
As this is applied in a very similar way as used in a Garmin tcx course_coursepoints file.
The Garmin tcx course with coursepoints file is the “forerunner” of true track tbt navigation.

In a gpx tbt navigation track this “fragile” association complexity is unnecessary.
The instructions are directly attached in the relevant gpx (trkpt) trackpoints. (As well Cruiser and Locus map do navigate this file)

Mff73

@Willy
What do you want “us” to test?
Importability? Routability? Something else?
I read all your posts, all about gpx files, and still not sure to understand where you are trying to guide us.

Willy

@Mff73
Importability.
The reference is the A (rte) file. (Original).
Do file B to G import as well ?
“I am most curious about the B (trk) result”

If succesfull than next
Routability.
Do files B to F show the TBT as well or not ?
If nok than test STOP and over and out
If ok than continue with a more complicated (multioverlap) track