Several navigation issues (feedback)
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@dreamer_ I’m simply trying to explain why Suunto does it this way, I think it’s good to understand why things are done this way.
And super thanks for the feedback
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@Joaquin said in Several navigation issues (feedback):
Garmin, for example, does not rely on pre-generated turns embedded in the route file. The watch itself generates turn instructions in real time based on its onboard maps.
That is not my experience. My forerunner 935 didn’t have maps only breadcrumb, but I do get TBT notifications if I imported a route via Garmin connect. Some goes for the forerunner 965 I had before my current watch. If I selected a route I did get TBT, but if I selected “follow the route in opposite direction” I didn’t get TBT notifications.
Also, I once didn’t load a map for an area on my forerunner 965 but still got TBT notifications (althought the screen only showed a black background and a breadcrumb to follow)Maybe that changed in the last year.
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In my opinion, on‑watch routing is highly overrated. And sometimes it can be really dangerous – in higher mountains, for example. It’s slow, unreliable, and on a tiny watch screen, you can easily miss potential errors in an automatically generated route.
SuuntoApp is missing one pretty obvious feature. When you import a GPX file, it should ask – the way Komoot does – whether you want it to redraw and analyse the route (adding missing elevation, turn‑by‑turn directions, etc.), or just import the original GPX file without any changes, like it does now.
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@maszop this is good improvement/feature
I’ll pass this on to the team in case we can do something about it in the future.Super thanks!!
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@Joaquin Thanks. Komoot does that mainly for staying on roads and trails, whereas with Suunto it would be more about adding missing elevation and TBT.
From what I’ve seen, only Komoot (online) – using the phone’s computing power – can generate a logical route.
Garmin is just okay at best. The Hammerhead Karoo is pretty weak. Google Maps, apart from driving, is rubbish. Mapy . com is okay at best. And I’m mostly talking about using the phone’s processing power and usually having an internet connection.So I don’t know if it’s worth putting so much effort and resources into adding routing to Suunto watches, knowing it’s going to be very unreliable, except maybe in cities.
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@dreamer_ I think there might have been a small misunderstanding, so just to clarify my point.
I was simply referring to the brands you mentioned as examples, not trying to say one approach is better or worse. Each brand has its own philosophy, and this is just ours.
Of course, we are actively working towards improving things like GPX-based turn guidance or routing directly on the watch, but we want to do it in a way that we believe is robust and reliable for the user. That’s why, for example, offline maps in the app combined with routing to the watch is part of what I’d call the “Suunto way” of building a routable map experience.
I really appreciate your feedback and the level of detail you’re bringing to the discussion. It’s genuinely valuable for us
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@Joaquin said in Several navigation issues (feedback):
you will have it, but in reverse; that is, instead of going from left to right, you will see how the ascent guide will go from right to left, and you will always have the current segment, updating to your route direction
Can someone please tell the Suunto team that the elevation profile (climb guidance) updating in reverse right to left with the color swapped is a very questionable solution. I find it extremely confusing. It isn’t a good user experience in my experience.
And in general the whole idea of automatic route reversal is more trouble than it is worth 90% of the time. Just two days ago I tried "Navigate on watch now function and as soon as I used it the watch showed a notification that I have reached the destination, followed shortly by an off route notification and then followed shortly by back on route notification. I can only assume it immediately reversed the route. There are many more examples of the route reversal messing things up. For one case of when I truly want the route reversed there are 9 cases of when it wrongly reverses it.
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@sky-runner Changing the colors in reverse is difficult, although we’re working on it. The current segment is indeed inverted,I hope we can do this at some point.
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One thing that is not actual navigation but very much related: In yesterday’s Race I loaded the course and started navigation without TbT just to be able to see where the route would be just in case. As I run through the finish point, I got a full screen notification that I reached the end of the course and had to dismiss this notification to be able to actually stop my activity tracking.
I think the upper button should have paused regardless…
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Edit. I just realized joaquin’s photo I was referencing is comparing a Coros with Garmin, and that Coros does also have an offset, which seems even bigger than what is seen in Suunto.
Removed bad photo.
In those photos you see only a 3 meter offset with Garmin, but I’m finding many turns with much more distance offset with Komoot’s algorythms, as explained. Even something like 15 meters several times.
