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@valdis830 Really? paperweight? Locked out of iCloud?
Unable to make a call? Cannot download apps for iStore?
I honestly do not know the answer? Has apple disabled them?

pcjmfranken

@valdis830 I think it’s pretty clear that the world is moving away from this planned obsolescence nonsense. Why throw out something that still works fine?

In addition, your older iPhones are still usable which this watch won’t be with Suunto’s current plans.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Yannis-Belouris for the sake ofthe argument iphone 4 is the same age with an Ambit and yes most things dont run there.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos You disagree with my statement?

Wasn’t that the case with spartans? Is not a similar case now with the app offering?

Sure, we can use MC, if we forget about steps, sleep etc). And sure, we can use SA, if we forget about MC tags, search, history, graphs, metrics etc.

Of course Spartans received updates and the functionality greatly improved. That’s why I upgraded to a S9 from a SSU.

And of course, some time in the future, SA will become a useful tool. But when? What will be missing?

The app situation is the same now, I cannot recommended to friends with all the strava syncing bugs, inverted pace graphs, and inability to sync to a native web platform that displays intervals and allows for tags, search function.

I get it that having an API is very very very useful, but right now, who cares about a free month of TP when there is all this functionality missing and we have to juggle with force closing apps?

@valdis830 said in Important news concerning our digital services:

I have iPhone 3, 4, 5 at home

your iphone are still working fine as standalone unit, with today’s announcement Suunto Ambit1/2, T3/4/6 Series, GPS trackpods are not longer working after 2020 because you need movecount.com mandatory to e.g. to add POD’s, adjust your bodymetrics, switch beween recording intervals or alter your sportmodes, so it’s a bit different here, Suunto is rendering these perfectly working devices obsolete by these lunatic change of the software platform without proper backwards compatibility

Robert Rundqvist

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Important news concerning our digital services:

@Robert-Rundqvist How would you send that big catalog to MC ?

I dont - I keep it in MC, thats the point

valdis830

Well, I correct! Paperweight for the use that I give to this type of devices, slow and obsolete for me. Most frequently used Apps are no longer compatible for use. Then because I want something that only technically is working. This about the iphone.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I agree that one company is not obliged to support every device for ever.
Maybe there is some other companies that do though. And support even 8 year old devices just fine (forerunner 210).
Sure, suunto made a business decision. This is just business. No hard feelings. But honestly, did anyone expected the end users to applaud this?
I am eagerly awaiting for a suunto survey…

andrejfit

I appreciate that Suunto is doing such communication quite long time before that thing will happened.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Yannis-Belouris We have > 1.5y to go and get all those goodies you mentioned (MC vs SA).

I do understand your points and they are already transferred.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Yannis-Belouris Nope I don’t think these news were good news to anyone invested on MC. That is clear.

Robert Rundqvist

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Important news concerning our digital services:

@Robert-Rundqvist that what exactly is your problem or asking? I am a bit confused here.
Would it be nice @cosmecosta as well, to have a service to service integration or parsing of all routes?

@Robert-Rundqvist with the Suunto app, you can keep copies on the icloud or drive of your GPX routes and open then on demand with the app.

But then I will have to have a dropbox/Icloud/drive file catalogue of GPX routes which is an entirely different thing from having a previewable track catalogue online on Movescount. Which I then have to upload/open with the app and then sync to the watch.

I think the difference is rather big. Have I missed something?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Yannis-Belouris However, as @andrejfit said it’s quite a move to announce this >1.5y before this will happen. There is plenty of time for communication and changes. That is the whole point of this happening now 1.5y and more before it actually happens

valdis830

@andrejfit said in Important news concerning our digital services:

I appreciate that Suunto is doing such communication quite long time before that thing will happened.

Yes, is cool! And at no time is mentioned that it will not be possible to use it. It´s obvious that with SuuntoApp no.

pcjmfranken

@andrejfit While I’m getting a bit riled up about these bad decisions, I do also appreciate the fact that it’s being communicated early and that @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos is actively processing feedback and replying.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Robert-Rundqvist said in Important news concerning our digital services:

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Important news concerning our digital services:

@Robert-Rundqvist that what exactly is your problem or asking? I am a bit confused here.
Would it be nice @cosmecosta as well, to have a service to service integration or parsing of all routes?

@Robert-Rundqvist with the Suunto app, you can keep copies on the icloud or drive of your GPX routes and open then on demand with the app.

But then I will have to have a dropbox/Icloud/drive file catalogue of GPX routes which is an entirely different thing from having a previewable track catalogue online on Movescount. Which I then have to upload/open with the app and then sync to the watch.

I think the difference is rather big. Have I missed something?

So to understand your blocker atm. You use movescount because you have one place that your have routes collected and you prefer to only use WEB for route creation.

What stops you from importing these routes to SA now , via any feasible way, so you can use them, and edit / import export/ on any other service? In the future you will be even able to share those. Is this such a big deal for you? I am not arguing but rather trying to understand 100%. That is because atm from this announcement, routes is the least worry imo, and partially it’s a feature well done in SA.

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos And this is why we are voicing our concerns. The lower cost option was to not bother commenting at all.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Tobias-F said in Important news concerning our digital services:

@valdis830 said in Important news concerning our digital services:

I have iPhone 3, 4, 5 at home

your iphone are still working fine as standalone unit, with today’s announcement Suunto Ambit1/2, T3/4/6 Series, GPS trackpods are not longer working after 2020 because you need movecount.com mandatory to e.g. to add POD’s, adjust your bodymetrics, switch beween recording intervals or alter your sportmodes, so it’s a bit different here, Suunto is rendering these perfectly working devices obsolete by these lunatic change of the software platform without proper backwards compatibility

is that really the truth? Doesn’t your ambit work as a standalone as well and has many of these configs already in the watch available?

pcjmfranken

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos You can still use older iPhones to call, send and receive messages, use apps, use navigation, browse the web, pretty much anything you could do before.

After shutting down Movescount, I can no longer use my Ambit 2 for 80% of the things I use it for currently. Recording my moves is not really useful when there’s no way to look at them later. And not being able to plan routes beforehand makes it useless as a GPS device as well.

So I do agree with @Tobias-F

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@pcjmfranken I will withdraw my self from this argument (old phone experience) vs the ambits, as I better understand your point regarding the Ambit. But as an ex iphone 4 user till some months ago, I d have sincerely to argue that you can use that device to proper browse the web or even perform an Auth or navigate. Perhaps its the perpective or that apple slows down prev devices. In any case it’s a different subject that wont add value in this conversion from what I see. Lets focus on Ambits and their support.

Perhaps btw this helps to take a look at http://openambit.org/