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    Mff73 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 16:33

    @dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

    @mff73 no mc connection anymore that’s it.

    clear, thanks.
    I imagine that sportsmode are read by SL from watch, then SL UI let us manipulate, and send back to watch ? No suunto cloud savings ?

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      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Mff73
      last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 16:53

      @mff73 I don’t know to answer that from the top of my head. Maybe Pavel can 😅

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        pavel.samokha @Mff73
        last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 17:50

        @mff73 no cloud saving, one can edit/delete modes existing on the watch or create a new one

        Opinions expressed are solely my own and do not express the views or opinions of my employer

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          philippe makowski @Brad_Olwin
          last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 17:57

          @brad_olwin said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

          @philippe-makowski I have an Ambit3 Peak and it is working just fine with the new Suuntolink.

          nope, I still can’t upload route and can’t download track
          this update is not enough.

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            suzzlo Moderator
            last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 18:46

            I don’t own any Ambit/Traverse but I’m completely surprised about SuuntoLink 4 changes to support them into new SA ecosystem (just checked Joaquin’s video). Probably there will be some bugs, and a new SA account needs to be done, but Suunto is providing a solution for these old watches instead of just looking forward and adding new features to new S9P and SA mobile.

            At my eyes, it’s clear that Suunto is listening users (Ambit/traverse) and taking care of them, and not just trying to sell new watches. It’s good for users with old watches, it’s good for the planet, well done!!!

            BR

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              Brad_Olwin Moderator @philippe makowski
              last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 19:02

              @philippe-makowski You need to use Suunto App for creating routes, you can probably do this with SportsTracker as well, which has a web interface.

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                A Former User @Brad_Olwin
                last edited by 30 Nov 2021, 21:20

                @brad_olwin said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

                @philippe-makowski You need to use Suunto App for creating routes, you can probably do this with SportsTracker as well, which has a web interface.

                and to toggle to use it on the watch no?
                If making routing on big screen is the concern you can use a 3rd party like komoot and enable the sync to SA.
                Also you can have some old phone/tablet with SA just to make the bridge.

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                  philippe makowski @Brad_Olwin
                  last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 10:04

                  @brad_olwin I don’t want the Suunto App, neither SportTracker, no smartphone, I just want to get a track, put a route, without any smartphone. I didn’t bought a watch that need a smartphone. You are obsoleting my watch. I like the Ambit 3 Peak.
                  why don’t just let us us the watch like a USB Drive ?
                  or allow us to put route and get tracks with Suunto link ?

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                    freeheeler @philippe makowski
                    last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 10:19

                    @philippe-makowski
                    99% of the users appreciate the intuitive and easy process of setting things up by phone and send it to the watch.
                    I am absolutely sure I would switch the brand if higher IT skills would be required to setup my watch.

                    living sideways

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                      suzzlo Moderator @philippe makowski
                      last edited by suzzlo 12 Jan 2021, 10:22 1 Dec 2021, 10:19

                      @philippe-makowski I get your point, but the world evolves and companies need to take decisions and adapt. Every time Apple, Mercedes… make a new Device, they are in exactly the same situation: some people love some people hate, but they continue. Only time will say if they where right or not.

                      Enjoy your day!

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                        freeheeler @suzzlo
                        last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 10:20

                        @suzzlo said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

                        Only time will say if they where right or not.

                        most of the times they’re right 😉 👍

                        living sideways

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                          philippe makowski @suzzlo
                          last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 10:29

                          @suzzlo sorry, but it is not a new device.
                          When I bought my Ambit 3 peak, nothing said that I need a smartphone to use it. And now it is mandatory. I want to still use my watch.
                          For new devices, why not, let’s people make their choice.

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                            pavel.samokha @philippe makowski
                            last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 10:48

                            @philippe-makowski well, your Ambit was always a connected device which requires additional tools and services to use it fully. Sometimes hardware part of the solution break down first and needs replacement, sometimes it’s software/service part.

                            For example, I have an old iPad 3rd gen, which is still alive and functioning well. I am used to watch YouTube on it, but I can’t do it anymore - because this iPad has old iOS version and YouTube app is outdated and doesn’t work properly. The same with browser - many sites doesn’t work in it anymore. Does it mean Apple failed me? I don’t think so, I think it’s cool that device served me long time and still working well. But everything is aging and first I had to adapt to using it with new limitations and eventually I decided to order a new one.

                            The same with your Ambit - now to use your Ambit you need to use different software and services. For you it may be not as convenient as it used to be, but as I wrote earlier - after one time setup you’ll be able to at least get tracks without need of a smartphone.

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                              martin Bronze Member
                              last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 10:51

                              SportsTracker has a web interface and shares user account and database with SA app, so you should be able to avoid using a smartphone ?

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                                philippe makowski @pavel.samokha
                                last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 11:41

                                @pavel-samokha said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

                                after one time setup you’ll be able to at least get tracks without need of a smartphone.
                                how ?
                                sorry, but it is not what say the docs.

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                                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @philippe makowski
                                  last edited by 1 Dec 2021, 14:01

                                  @philippe-makowski The Ambit3 Peak was always a connected watch with a Bluetooth connection to a smartphone. The full capability of the watch could not be used without the smartphone connection.

                                  Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                    A Former User @philippe makowski
                                    last edited by 3 Dec 2021, 08:01

                                    @philippe-makowski said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

                                    @brad_olwin I don’t want the Suunto App, neither SportTracker, no smartphone, I just want to get a track, put a route, without any smartphone. I didn’t bought a watch that need a smartphone. You are obsoleting my watch. I like the Ambit 3 Peak.
                                    why don’t just let us us the watch like a USB Drive ?
                                    or allow us to put route and get tracks with Suunto link ?

                                    Honestly speaking I think that is a lost battle.
                                    Suunto was always like that (at least from the ambit series).
                                    Don’t want to sound harsh, but :
                                    1 - People with ambit series and without smartwatch are a minority
                                    2 - Old watch, redoing everything to “enable upload gpx like a a usb drive” could give more problems than solution (Last time I put a gpx directy to my 530, it blocked…and had to reset it)
                                    3 - The digital transition, when it began was much much worse, I feel there was an huge improvement.
                                    Honestly, I would just buy a used android tablet or phone just to put the app to make it a bridge and use any 3rd party to draw the routes. I believe any 20/30eur used device would work.

                                    Understand your frustration, but since the solution is so simple, I wouldn’t loose a minute of my energy discussing it.
                                    If you really really need all that disconnect readyness of a device, yes grab a garmin, but sometimes it may not be as seemless as it seems 😃
                                    PS: I also had ambit 3

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                                      Efejota Bronze Member @philippe makowski
                                      last edited by 3 Dec 2021, 09:27

                                      @philippe-makowski I had an Ambit 3 Peak also. Moved a bit angry to S9 later. Your case is different as my main concern was not being able to sync with the phone and the need to discard a perfectly valid item. As @André-Faria said, the situation became much better than in the beginning. I also considered to move to Garmin, but the experience from some friends made me stick to Suunto and it looks like the best decision. I would go for a used Android to use it as a brige, as @André-Faria suggested.

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                                        A Former User @philippe makowski
                                        last edited by A Former User 12 Mar 2021, 12:38 3 Dec 2021, 12:25

                                        @philippe-makowski hello there,
                                        even a friend of mine does not want to so I’m thinking to install Android-x86 somewhere on his pc and then try to install the SA and use it to plan routes or/and see your moves. I will let you know if it works it might be a viable way to keep using your A3P with only a PC

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                                          A Former User @Guest
                                          last edited by A Former User 12 Mar 2021, 19:19 3 Dec 2021, 19:17

                                          @andré-faria said in Goodbye Suunto, hello Garmin:

                                          3 - The digital transition, when it began was much much worse, I feel there was an huge improvement.

                                          I agree on this. As of my use case, I can say that I’m almost 100% happy with the current transition state. 🙂

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