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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Don’t get me wrong. If I’m spending time writing here is because I made a choice and chose Suunto. And I like the watch and the ecosystem in general. But also I see very big flaws that I wanted to share and get fixed if possible.
FIT doesn’t include waypoints, and converting to route and sharing creates an unusable GPX which lacks time and have the values clamped. I see recording tracks and waypoints and being able to access them as a really basic functionality of a GPS watch, and also I think that my data is mine and I should be able to access it.
If Suunto doesn’t understand that, I’m sorry but I will find another company that fits my basic needs. I remember the time when I had an old gpsmap62 brick and the only thing I had to do was to connect it to the computer and instantly see the tracks and the waypoints I recorded.
Now is a complete frustration to go out and try to do the same. It’s not only that it’s difficult, it’s impossible.
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@djibarian I can for sure make suunto understand but first of all let us two understand.
FIT doesn’t include waypoints, and converting to route and sharing creates an unusable GPX which lacks time and have the values clamped. I see recording tracks and waypoints and being able to access them as a really basic functionality of a GPS watch, and also I think that my data is mine and I should be able to access it.
Kind correct the above.
However, when we export the activity as a route / or a route we do include waypoints in a GPX file. What are you missing from what? I dont get it.
Help me to help you.
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I have the feeling @djibarian means POIs recorded with the watch, and not route waypoints.
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@isazi then POIS are inside the app.
Since the watch doens’t relate recorded POIS during or out of excersise as they are decoupled.
Those pois do sync but then you need to create a route with those pois as waypoints.
So here is the difference or the confusion.
POI is not waypoint. It can be recorded outside an activity.
Waypoints are waypoints on a route.When creating a route you can add waypoints. Those are exported in a GPX
When you are doing an activity you can create pois. When also outside of the activity you can also create pois for example a nice spot while walking in the town. Those will sync with the app and be shown in the map.You can later on after your run/hike sync. That will get the pois and the route you did.
You convert that workout to a route and then you create the waypoints of that route from the pois that are overlayed on the map. You export that route to GPX and apparently you have what you need. -
@isazi Exactly, I mean POIs recorded with the watch, not as part of the route.
Dimitrios, you say "You can later on after your run/hike sync. That will get the pois and the route you did. You convert that workout to a route and then you create the waypoints of that route from the pois that are overlayed on the map. You export that route to GPX and apparently you have what you need.”
…You can later on after your run/hike sync. That will get the pois and the route you did.
OK
…You convert that workout to a route and then you create the waypoints of that route from the pois that are overlayed on the map.
How to create the waypoints from the POIs, manually? 1) converting track to route throws away time info. 2) waypoints also have the time which were recorded, which is also lost.
…You export that route to GPX and apparently you have what you need.
That GPX doesn’t have time info and the coordinates and elevation are clamped.
EASY SOLUTION:
In the POIs tab, add an option to export all of them as GPX (or ideally, the selected ones). That would allow you to export the track as FIT (and then convert it to GPX without losing any data) and add to that GPX the POIs exported as GPX too, using a text editor and copy/pasting inside the XML. Not ideal, but at least you could extract ALL your data.
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@djibarian well the information on the poi does contain the time created afaik.
So this gets more complicated. You want:
Activity export as GPX with the POIS that have a timestamp that belongs inside the activity timeframe.
Unfortunately and coming back to some previous comment afaik this was never possible with movescount etc.
Not very sure why this is a problem , in the perspective of something that was not there before. Sure if can be a feature request but we cannot say it’s just export pois.
I suppose you want a GPX file with POIS that you load to another service right?
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Saving a route as GPX including the waypoints created to that route is OK, as the lack of precision is not a problem because you usually use that route to follow the path.
But by the way, one problem with those waypoints is that the Suunto app doesn’t let you create a waypoint at any place, it has to be INSIDE the path. That’s a problem if you want to mark a summit but there is no path to reach it, and you now you can reach it across the field from the path, but need the waypoint to locate the summit.
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@djibarian
I guess you’re not talking about POI nor WPyou are talking about Track Points.
Points added while recording the track (based on gpsmap 62 mentioned before).Like these , isn’t it ?
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@djibarian you can do a free drawing in the route planner for that specific case
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Nope, you cannot create a POI outside the route. Try it.
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@djibarian waypoint you mean? I just told you how. Do a free drawing to that peak and then long hold to add a waypoint.
If you don’t want to pass from the peak as of routing then no need todo it at the route planner. Add a poi at that peak. When in the activity, you can navigate to that poi via the navigation menu
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oh, free drawing, I got it. Thanks!
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and how do you add a poi to the peak outside the route planner?
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@djibarian go to the map. Tap on the peak -> create POI -> name etc -> press add to watch.
Make sure you are on version 4.33.x (x is any number)
(do the above outside the route creation)
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@sartoric I’m talking about both trackpoints and waypoints (or POIs)
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Export POIs from Suunto 9:
@djibarian go to the map. Tap on the peak -> create POI -> name etc -> press add to watch.
Make sure you are on version 4.33.x (x is any number)
(do the above outside the route creation)
cool, I see is a new feature in the android beta
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@djibarian at the same map you should be able to see also the pois you created with the watch.
The same applies when you are using the route planner. So the pois are marked and you can create a waypoint at a route
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Export POIs from Suunto 9:
@djibarian at the same map you should be able to see also the pois you created with the watch.
The same applies when you are using the route planner. So the pois are marked and you can create a waypoint at a route
I see you see the POIs in the route planner, but still you have to create the waypoints manually.
Anyway that’s not a problem. The only problem I see now is to be able to export the POIs, whether all of them together, or being able to select some of them in the POIs tab, and export them as GPX.
Do you think is feasible to expect that option to be in a next release?
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Export POIs from Suunto 9:
Unfortunately and coming back to some previous comment afaik this was never possible with movescount etc.
I guess it’s technically correct. Just that bluntly copy-pasting data of few hundred POIs from Movescount.com in batches of 10, formatting as CSV and converting that list into GPX of POIs for using with other devices and mapping tools takes more determination than skill and something like 5 to 15 minutes from average user. That part of Movescount is also quite scraper-friendly.
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@margusl On the third hand, bulk export can be built-in. The ViewRanger app will export all visible (or total saved) tracks, routes (with named WPs) and POIs from the planning/review screen to a single GPX file.
(Of course, VR doesn’t do much with health metrics. Or talk directly to anything other than its companion WearOS app.)
Still a worthwhile standard to target, though. Unless Suunto wants to get away from GPX entirely ASAP. Which might be tricky as FITs don’t appear to be anything like as common as a route import format.