Future S9 firmware wishlist summary

BKtoo · 22 Nov 2019, 19:55

@Brad_Olwin but the backlight is activated anyway when you push the middle button. So I can see that the battery drain will increase? The only difference is that the first push on the middle button does not enable display switching, but only backlight.

stromdiddily · 23 Nov 2019, 17:53

Improved notification process
Dismiss/delete notification from the watch itself
Not repeat notifications if a new one comes in and the previous had not been cleared on the phone
Improved contrast for navigation lines when theme is set to “light” (blue works well against black but is a bit tough with a white background)
Configurable nav screen (related to yours above but personally care more about duration/distance/lap pace)

freeheeler · 19 Dec 2019, 21:12

and now something completely different…
… sync on demand?
… lock in watch mode?

hope there will soon be another FW update…
meanwhile I am more looking forward for FW updates than SA updates

freeheeler · 19 Dec 2019, 21:30

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos can we merge these threads?
https://forum.suunto.com/topic/2032/s9-baro-wishlist/101

A Former User · 19 Dec 2019, 21:57

Still waiting on a fix for broken navigation arrows. Navigation must stick much much better to the planned route and not change it at will.
Zooming navigation screen in locked mode.
An option for choosing between smart recording and true one second recording per sport mode. 1 second recording should also ensure updating the distance every second.
More accurate calculation of vertical ascent and descent. The latest firmware did that the wrong way in my opinion.
Custom sport modes must inherit settings like GPS mode and breadcrumbs from the base sport modes they are created from. We shouldn’t have to use custom battery modes to turn GPS off because we don’t have to do that for the basic sport modes.
Breadcrumbs customizable per sport mode rather than globally as it is currently.
Remove popup about the watch being locked and replace it with a smaller permanently visible icon. That will allow e. g. to use the lower button for backlight.
Add confirmation for changing battery modes by the upper button. Pressing the upper button should bring a list of all power modes. That will work much better for users who are color blind and for everyone else who change the power modes accidentally all the time.
Add zooming for HR and elevation graphs and remember the zoom level per sport mode. That will finally make those graphs usable. Zooming will change the time scale. Bonus points for allowing the zoom controls to work in locked mode.
Add extra navigation screen for the next waypoint and/or end of the route. The screen should display all necessary details like remaining distance on route (or off route when not on route), waypoint name, elevation difference, ETA/ETE, etc. See below for my proposal for switching between navigation views.
Since there may be up to 3 navigation specific views I propose to move them out of the main screen rotation by the middle button and replace that with a single navigation screen with 3 views: route / breadcrumbs, elevation profile, and waypoint details. Switching between navigation views should be done by pressing the lower button. And accessing the navigation menu - by long press on the lower button.
When not in activity, allow users to stay in all non-menu screens for as long as needed - HR, altitude, steps, etc. Or at least add an option for the timeout before jumping back to the main screen.

We need more options to customize the watch the way we want to use it and not the way someone in Suunto decided for us. Do you see a pattern here? A lot of feature requests here are about adding more options for already existing features.

freeheeler · 20 Dec 2019, 04:57

@silentvoyager said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

Custom sport modes must inherit settings like GPS mode

and use baro mode for alti “stationary” sports, like SUP, swim and gym stuff…

great list!!
hope Suunto will concentrate more on this than on SuuntoPlus… SP was mentioned for few days and some ideas were posted but I have the feeling that as soon as it was clear that SP will not contain structured intervalls, people did not know what more to request apart from a climbing screen and a ghost runner…

freeheeler · 20 Dec 2019, 06:44

@silentvoyager
for some or a lot of people too much of setup will be a disadvantage. either they will be overstrained or they messup the settings and don’t know what the watch is actually doing (ok, honestly we don’t know exactly either, we can just guess on certain topics).
this thought took me to the suggestion to create a default mode and an expert mode.
it could be done on 2 levels. if expert mode is selected you have to setup everything yourself: baro or alti profile, recording intervall for location, alti threshold, individual touch and/or button lock… and stuff like that.
if you select default mode, you should be able to select expert mode for sport modes only and separately for each sport mode. like an expert toggle in the sport mode setup.

and while I am writing this. all the settings should be managable thru SA.
today we have to setup sport modes and notification settings in SA and all the rest in the watch. all could be done from SA

nseslija · 20 Dec 2019, 07:18

@silentvoyager Great suggestions!

vimegar · 20 Dec 2019, 08:00

I wish only that GPS run fine…

Sorry, but It’s the worst GPS that I had ever

cosme.costa · 20 Dec 2019, 08:24

@vimegar said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

I wish only that GPS run fine…

Sorry, but It’s the worst GPS that I had ever

I do not know which were your previous GPS watches but I had an Ambit 3 Vertical and a SSU. The A3 Vertical has been the worse of them by far, SSU was better than the Vertical and acceptable. The S9, with GPS+GALILEO and the two last firmware (I did not have the S9 before) it is better than the SSU and very acceptable in my opinion. I’m quite happy with it.

freeheeler · 20 Dec 2019, 08:31

@cosmecosta
yes it’s true… S9B GPS could be better… but I haven’t tried the combo of either of the other 2 systems to see if it improves. I think I’ll do that in case I find motivation to go running between skiing days
But it is also true that A3PS has way way better precision than S9B has.
If I only knew S9B I think I would be happy with what it records. Since I compare sometimes with A3PS directly, I know that Suunto did better with the Sirfstar chip.

Zdeněk Hruška · 20 Dec 2019, 08:43

@silentvoyager Awesome list, I love it! I hope those points will get to the people who could actually do something with it. I mean it’s great to have hope in something new like SuuntoPlus but seeing your list I am almost sure that at least some of those points should be reconsidered. To make our watches more user friendly. To make it better for day to day use.

cosme.costa · 20 Dec 2019, 08:56

@TELE-HO said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@cosmecosta
yes it’s true… S9B GPS could be better… but I haven’t tried the combo of either of the other 2 systems to see if it improves. I think I’ll do that in case I find motivation to go running between skiing days
But it is also true that A3PS has way way better precision than S9B has.
If I only knew S9B I think I would be happy with what it records. Since I compare sometimes with A3PS directly, I know that Suunto did better with the Sirfstar chip.

I had the A3 Vertical that despite using the Sirfstar chip dosen’t have the antenna in the same position than the A3 Peak (so I can’t compare) and the SSU has the Sirfstar chip and GPS is worse (not much) than the S9. I do not know if they did better with the Sirfstar that with Sony chip but I do think they are really improving, working on it and in a very good direction. What would be good is to compare how the S5 does comparing with the S9 (S5 has has the same antenna disposition than the A3Peak) and compare the different brands with Sony Chip with the Suunto 5/9, here I think that Suunto is doing well (I do not read much complains about)

freeheeler · 20 Dec 2019, 09:01

@cosmecosta
i noticed that the antenna of S5 must be where it was in A3PS as the housing looks identical.
…maybe I should get an S5 for my wife, if she wants it or not… it’s for the sake of science
…no serious: good point! I’ll open a thread about it

isazi · 20 Dec 2019, 15:08

@TELE-HO said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@silentvoyager said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

Custom sport modes must inherit settings like GPS mode

and use baro mode for alti “stationary” sports, like SUP, swim and gym stuff…

I keep having no problems with that, my gym activities have 0 ascent and 0 descent, always.

freeheeler · 20 Dec 2019, 15:15

@isazi
maybe I have to choose a different sportmode as basis… crossfit might have alti activated. i’ll rearrange my sport modes tonight anyway, i’ll check then
(we’re still talking values in QS, right? because SA doesn’t show ascent for crossfit for me either, just QS does)

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos · 20 Dec 2019, 15:31

@silentvoyager about 3 we don’t do anything with smart recording and distance.

We can extrapolate the distance for you but that will reduce the watch memory which is something a 3rd party software can do.

DavorP · 20 Dec 2019, 15:31

@cosmecosta
Wow. Interesting information. GPS accuracy on SSU is not bad for my needs (hiking in unfamiliar areas), I’m actually quite satisfied with it, but I was convinced that Vertical was better in that regard.

A Former User · 20 Dec 2019, 21:53

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Future S9 firmware wishlist summary:

@silentvoyager about 3 we don’t do anything with smart recording and distance.

We can extrapolate the distance for you but that will reduce the watch memory which is something a 3rd party software can do.

I don’t know exactly what the watch does, perhaps that’s the Sony GPS chip that does that, but there is definitely a magic 10 meter threshold that influences when a new position is recorded. On my trail runs a significant majority of points are 10 meters or further apart. I see that when looking at distance streams in FIT files produced by Suunto 9.

When running on road 10 meters isn’t that far and is usually covered in 2-3 seconds. However on trails it often takes much longer to cover. And having a threshold like that ensures that the track cuts through most turns. That looks especially bad on tight switchbacks.

A Former User · 21 Dec 2019, 08:50

New Watchfaces…