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Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race

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    Bulkan Moderator @Guest
    last edited by 24 Oct 2020, 17:35

    @André-Faria have you try it? Do you know all the people who had done the switch or just the bias of go back to the A3?

    In this forum, most of the users of Suunto watches don’t come here to say “Ey guys, I love my watch”.

    The A3 is a great watch, but just a watch, like others.

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      A Former User @Bulkan
      last edited by 24 Oct 2020, 18:38

      @Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

      @André-Faria have you try it? Do you know all the people who had done the switch or just the bias of go back to the A3?

      In this forum, most of the users of Suunto watches don’t come here to say “Ey guys, I love my watch”.

      The A3 is a great watch, but just a watch, like others.

      Maybe I am getting misunderstand…I am asking…not making a statement…
      I never tried a S9B…and I am curious about it…

      @Bulkan said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

      @André-Faria have you try it? Do you know all the people who had done the switch or just the bias of go back to the A3?

      In this forum, most of the users of Suunto watches don’t come here to say “Ey guys, I love my watch”.

      The A3 is a great watch, but just a watch, like others.

      Hello Bulkan,
      Maybe I am not expressing myself well.
      I am curious in a good way about S9B…when I posted this was to know more…so maybe I buy it…

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        Fenr1r @Guest
        last edited by 24 Oct 2020, 19:30

        @André-Faria You may not find a convenient summary but read @Brad_Olwin’s longer posts comparing the two (DIY search) if you want a largely happy A3P->S9B* adopter view.

        Depends on how you might feel about color touch-screens, Suunto Apps vs SuuntoPlus, structured/complex intervals, crowflight waypoints vs exact route navigation, vibration, looped menus and probably lots more, distributed over the forum.

        Also, S9 development doesn’t appear to be done yet. With DigiTrans, it’s hard to see the A3P’s future as anything other than a fairly imminent decline in functionality.

        *Apparently there was also a Spartan dalliance but we don’t need to talk about that.

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          piko88
          last edited by 6 Jan 2021, 09:16

          Heloo

          can gps find you in some closed space (apartment house tunnel

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            piko88 @piko88
            last edited by 6 Jan 2021, 09:18

            @piko88

            and which is the best gps signal to use

            Thanks

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              isazi Moderator @piko88
              last edited by 6 Jan 2021, 09:40

              @piko88 said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

              Heloo

              can gps find you in some closed space (apartment house tunnel

              In general, no.

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                freeheeler @piko88
                last edited by 17 Jan 2021, 17:39

                @piko88 said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                can gps find you in some closed space

                sometimes GPS is losing you even outdoors in the middle of an activity 😉

                Screenshot_20210117-183512.png

                living sideways

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                  kabzior Bronze Member @freeheeler
                  last edited by 18 Jan 2021, 23:02

                  @freeheeler said in Suunto 9 with the recent GPS firmware was among least accurate GPS watches in today's 25K trail race:

                  sometimes GPS is losing you even outdoors in the middle of an activity

                  That is right, experienced this once so far. I mean every now and then it gets off a little bit for a moment, but just this once it was bananas 🙂
                  Running around the lake:

                  text alternatywny

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                    fazel Bronze Member
                    last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 00:28

                    Here is a comparison from my long run through Mohican State Park in Ohio. Ambit3 Peak is in orange, Suunto 9 in green using GPS + BeiDou based on my pre-run recon using Trimble GNSS Planning. The two are of comparable quality IMO (you can see the dotted trail peaking out a bit on both tracks in places). The MTB trail I ran is tree covered throughout. Weather conditions represented by additional photo.

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                      sky-runner Silver Members @fazel
                      last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 05:01

                      @fazel How did distances compare between A3P and S9B?

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                        freeheeler @fazel
                        last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 05:15

                        @fazel
                        @kabzior
                        yes, in rare situations it is off “a bit”… but I’ve never seen the watch taking a nap in the middle of an activity, like mine did 😂

                        living sideways

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                          fazel Bronze Member @sky-runner
                          last edited by fazel 19 Jan 2021, 11:44

                          @sky-runner well, I had the 9 connected to a Stryd so not apples-to-apples. 38.57 km for the 9 and 37.14 km for the Ambit. The trail is officially 24 miles (38.6km) long, so the Stryd performed excellent. I know from experience riding it on the MTB that GPS always measures low.

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @fazel
                            last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 13:57

                            @fazel you can see the distance without stryd for pure GPS points (also ommiting the fused speed that the watch applies ) if you like on QS

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                              fazel Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                              last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 13:58

                              @dimitrios-kanellopoulos oh - cool. How do I do this?

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                                Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @fazel
                                last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 14:02

                                @fazel on the “detail statistics” look for GNSS distance. That is the distance of point to point calculated via the Vincenty method. Its not perfect and sometimes not better than the watch does.

                                However: You are comparing apples to bananas if you compare GNSS distance vs Distance. That is because you can have a tunnel for example or a difficult GPS terrain were the watch might draw a straight line , and you were actually ie traversing or a tunnel with turns. Consider a snake tunnel and using stryd. Exit to entry distance would be smaller than stryd. And your watch has similar algos with Stryd when GPS is lost or for instant speed etc. Its called fused speed. The watch can without GPS give you a very good distance estimate. That GNSS distance statistic would not.

                                So I would compare GNSS distance of Ambit vs S9 GNSS distance to see what their GPS recorded approximately.

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                                  fazel Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                  last edited by 19 Jan 2021, 14:06

                                  @dimitrios-kanellopoulos awesome. @sky-runner here’s what I see, GNSS to GNSS.

                                  9 Baro: 38.15 km
                                  Ambit3: 37.23 km

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                                    freeheeler @fazel
                                    last edited by freeheeler 19 Jan 2021, 18:46

                                    @fazel
                                    and these are awesome numbers! …in many ways!

                                    living sideways

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                                      fazel Bronze Member @freeheeler
                                      last edited by 21 Jan 2021, 14:36

                                      @freeheeler thank you!

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