System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1

@Brad_Olwin I don’t disagree with you Brad, however when you look at the market there is a gaping hole/niche that is just waiting for someone to fill it. And as others have pointed out - the company that finds the best solution to that gap is going to coin it.

The suunto 7, apple watch, Garmin Vivoactive/Venu come the closest to filling that gap - a combination full smartwatch with good fitness. And i agree - out of of those i do think the S7 is the closest to filling it. And while my climate isn’t an issue and the exercises I do make it unlikely I will resort to a chest band (but that may change, and then I would buy the suunto one in all likelihood - as I like to match my hardware), I fully understand why people need an external HR band, also lets face it that for HIIT training the built in HR reader is woefully inacurrate.
But would also agree that suunto app should have 24/7 HR reading built into it (preferably with option to set frequency), and sleep tracking, but should also enable ability to use external HR (as pointed out google fit and a couple of other apps cater for it).

Aleksander H

I’ve always wondered why Google didn’t make sensor support a native feature of Wear OS. With native support for ble hrm devices, apps on the watch wouldn’t even need to care about bluetooth. They would just query the relevant api for heart rate, and Wear OS would take care of the rest. They could have done the same for other sensors as well making life as a developer much simpler. It’s not like music apps have to implement their own support for bluetooth headphones.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Aleksander-H there is .

Of course there is native and even google FIT can record via that.

Aleksander H

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos really? I thought that support was only via the google fit app, not natively in the Wear OS platform.

Just to emphasize, by native I mean native support for bluetooth based hrm, not just the sensor on the back of the watch.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Aleksander-H the stack is there afaik. Other app ie ghostrunner use that.

Now it depends on what you talk about “native”

Currently the main and power hungry processor of the s7 handles the BT Stack. So when you use BT your watch’s processor is being used all the time resulting to some battery toll.

Aleksander H

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos interesting. This is more complicated than I thought. Guess I’ll go do a little digging in the wear os dev docs. Thanks for correcting me :).

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@Aleksander-H FYI there are actually apps on the S7 that can also broadcast. So you could use the S7 to breadcast it’s OHR to another watch or platform for HR.

More over for others to know here, we as Suunto/Movesense have run the sensor (EGC) on S7 as a separate app

https://www.movesense.com/news/2020/06/connecting-movesense-to-suunto-7-smartwatch/

Read and enjoy

Mi_chael

Update in progress…!

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Aleksander H

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in System update – PXDZ.201119.005.A1:

@Aleksander-H FYI there are actually apps on the S7 that can also broadcast. So you could use the S7 to breadcast it’s OHR to another watch or platform for HR.

More over for others to know here, we as Suunto/Movesense have run the sensor (EGC) on S7 as a separate app

https://www.movesense.com/news/2020/06/connecting-movesense-to-suunto-7-smartwatch/

Read and enjoy

That’s incredibly cool (can’t believe I just said cool)! Thanks for the link! I used to do android dev work a couple of years ago, but haven’t touched it in a while. Might build a few terrible apps for Wear OS when I get the time.

fazel

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos crimany…so Suunto maintains/develops Movesense, Garmin purchases Firstbeat, yet Firstbeat choses Movesense to develop their sports monitoring platform. WUT?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@fazel

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also Garmin HRM’s use those pins to attach the module that is a Suunto patent.

Idk man. This whole thing is silly. hehe

fazel

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos this actually puts me at ease to some degree. The whole Garmin/Firstbeat partnership worries me with regard to some of the metrics used by Suunto watches. I was wondering if there was any way to partner with Whoop if Garmin played hardball, but this makes it seem like everyone’s happy to capitalize on each other’s expertise…

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@fazel I dont think you should worry. Garmin makes money from selling the FB features. Why stop it?

There is also polar…

fazel

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I was more worried about increased prices for competitors like Suunto. But yeah…