Silence of Mind...

[A Former User]

"New alert: you spent few hours outdoor, go grab some fun! " ?

Picking the example of @suzzlo , havince some “peace of mind” is having also tools that are simplier/easy enough for you to use “on the go” and suit your needs, and not a zillion things.
For example the imensity of menus on the garmin makes me nervous. Everytime I need to do something I am lost there. Also it is not useful to have every feature if then it will not work ok and make you frustraded.
Curious to see what will come from here

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@olymay said in Silence of Mind...:

The great thing about these apps/services/etc is they are optional. If you can meditate then great, you don’t need it. But average Bob (sorry Bob, we love you really!) who works a 50hr week at a computer in a high stress job doesn’t know how to meditate and something like this could (i emphasise could) really help him and his welbing.

But doesn’t that prolong the issue (working 50h) , giving some placebo comfort , rather than making Bob say it’s not ok anymore ?

[wakarimasen]

Here’s my Silence of Mind from Cornwall, earlier this week

[Fenr1r]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos I find this “silence of mind” metric thing disturbing. I hesitate to imagine what perpetually measuring it would do.

We might be moving into observer effect territory.

As Heisenberg (or maybe Pinkman) once wrote:

“The examined buzz is inherently harshed.”

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@fenr1r why would you measure that ?

[Fenr1r]

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos It was mostly a joke - an application of quantum mechanics to the unexamined life trope. Plus watch stuff.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@fenr1r useful for path finding. Taking all the paths at the same time

[ChrisA]

I spent years with masters from asia (and other parts of the world) practicing meditation and breathing. As a typical ‘western guy’ I had not the faintest idea how deep you can get into that topic and how superficial my knowledge about breathing as a whole was. When modern trackers measure HRV metrics they can visualize the ratio of parasympathetic and symphatic activity, but in Asia this concept is known for thousands of years in the form of “yin and yang”. When you are stressed or working out your body gets “yang” and if you keep going like that, your whole system will get “too yang” which will lead to physical and psychological problems. Almost everyone in our modern, western society is too yang nowadays. Meditation and mindful breathing, bringing awareness into your body are “yin” practices and help to balance those yang lifestyle. So if people use trackers or watches to get started to become more “yin” and get back into balance, this is a first step and IMO the right way to do. Sadly, most people are not even aware of being completely out of balance, thinking that going further or working out harder will make them stronger but everything in nature that does not stay in balance will eventually perish.

[sartoric]

The real question here is … what is the tool ?
The techy stuffs or us ?

I’m not against tech and I’m probably a proper nerd, but I’m also into technology and computer stuff since a while and I’m seeing how in the last years people are turning an utility into a need

[ChrisA]

@sartoric that goes even further: I once told one of my teachers, that “I” had problems feeling “my body” and he then replied:" Ah, so you are actually two persons?- YOU and YOUR BODY?" . So with an additional tool I wonder what he had said

But as I said: I would recommend meditation and awareness practicing to everyone and if a tools helps or motivates you in the beginning, why not. It’s the same with activity trackers. When they motivate and help yo to move more and get more active, why not?

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@chrisa said in Silence of Mind...:

that goes even further: I once told one of my teachers, that “I” had problems feeling “my body” and he then replied:" Ah, so you are actually two persons?- YOU and YOUR BODY?" .

I love this!

Most of the people now-a-days don’t know their body (they say) and some even don’t want to look at it

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@chrisa one of my physiotherapist kept insisting that I try to listen to my body. I’ve had no idea what he was talking about, and I regarded it as a mambo-jumbo inspired by eastern philosophy. Only recently I’ve begun discovering what it really means, how it is to experience the of “listening” to the body during the post-injury healing process and how to step back and try to observe what is hurting me.

And it’s very humbling.

[wakarimasen]

The ‘body as machine’ thing has been a revelation to me over the last few years. I regularly slept very little, ate sporadically and drank too much (on occasion). When you take a step back and think of the body as a machine, it’s pretty obvious.

[dulko79]

It is the life style that pushes us so we do not have time for anything. Flooded with stress and information we miss so many things in life, like in relationships, in health…we are focused on unimportant bizzarre things. Not a lot of people listen and stop madness until something breaks…sometimes is too late.

[cosme.costa]

I do not know about you, but everyday that passes I think I need less metrics and features.

Everybody has his history, as a child I was very active, but in my late teens and uni time I was very inactive (with all its consequences), then I started doing quite a lot of MTB until I have two boys and I stopped again, when the younger started to let us sleep I started again with the MTB and running, this was 4 years ago. I bought, then, my first chest strap and GPS device and it helped me, as @ChrisA says, to keep me active and not giving up, because I could see the progress. But nowadays that I listen to my body I think that I could pass without half of the things that the devices offer. For me the problem is the people that are more obsessed with the metrics and features than in enjoying the run/swim/ride… The other day, I even enjoyed doing some hard intervals
The more you know yourself, the less you need, but the thing is that we want all even we are not going to use it.

[cosme.costa]

@dulko79 said in Silence of Mind...:

It is the life style that pushes us so we do not have time for anything. Flooded with stress and information we miss so many things in life, like in relationships, in health…we are focused on unimportant bizzarre things. Not a lot of people listen and stop madness until something breaks…sometimes is too late.

I completely agree with you!

[isazi]

@cosmecosta this is why I want my watch to help me during the activity, and give me some measurements that I can use, and not suggest me what to do or tell me that I am not training properly

[cosme.costa]

@isazi Agreed!

But here, IMHO, users need to be educated and sport watch producers need to educate how the metrics work. As an example, today I did a trail run where I did my best or second best time ever in that route, and I’m feeling that I’m improving but the new TP metrics are saying that I’m losing fitness, and my VO2max has gone also down. I know that all this metrics are based on HR and HR thresholds and I know how to trick VO2max to go up, and I know why it went down. I’m going to get obsessed because the watch and SA say something that I know is not true, NO but other people yes and this is also not good.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@cosmecosta even if you know how it works it’s sometimes hard to do. The pressure of numbers is real I’ve managed to keep myself under 145 HR when the temps went up only because I’ve switched pace off my watch face. I know that my pace is irrelevant but I can see how slow I am and its bugging me. Can’t see it, it’s not there, I don’t think about it, I focus on breathing, gait, etc and HR goes down.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

At my peak performance (climbing some pods) I did not have HRM. Yes I did track , but no HRM.

I still miss those times.

Here is a fun fact. At one of those trainings back in 2015 I had worn an HRM from a friend.

I went back to look at the values, it was something like avgHR 190 (not even sure if that is correct), something that today would explode me. Or do I think it would?