Silence of Mind...
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The real question here is … what is the tool ?
The techy stuffs or us ?I’m not against tech and I’m probably a proper nerd,
but I’m also into technology and computer stuff since a while and I’m seeing how in the last years people are turning an utility into a need -
@sartoric that goes even further: I once told one of my teachers, that “I” had problems feeling “my body” and he then replied:" Ah, so you are actually two persons?- YOU and YOUR BODY?"
. So with an additional tool I wonder what he had said 
But as I said: I would recommend meditation and awareness practicing to everyone and if a tools helps or motivates you in the beginning, why not. It’s the same with activity trackers. When they motivate and help yo to move more and get more active, why not?
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@chrisa said in Silence of Mind...:
that goes even further: I once told one of my teachers, that “I” had problems feeling “my body” and he then replied:" Ah, so you are actually two persons?- YOU and YOUR BODY?" .
I love this!
Most of the people now-a-days don’t know their body (they say) and some even don’t want to look at it
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@chrisa one of my physiotherapist kept insisting that I try to listen to my body. I’ve had no idea what he was talking about, and I regarded it as a mambo-jumbo inspired by eastern philosophy. Only recently I’ve begun discovering what it really means, how it is to experience the of “listening” to the body during the post-injury healing process and how to step back and try to observe what is hurting me.
And it’s very humbling.
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The ‘body as machine’ thing has been a revelation to me over the last few years. I regularly slept very little, ate sporadically and drank too much (on occasion). When you take a step back and think of the body as a machine, it’s pretty obvious.
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It is the life style that pushes us so we do not have time for anything. Flooded with stress and information we miss so many things in life, like in relationships, in health…we are focused on unimportant bizzarre things. Not a lot of people listen and stop madness until something breaks…sometimes is too late.
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I do not know about you, but everyday that passes I think I need less metrics and features.
Everybody has his history, as a child I was very active, but in my late teens and uni time I was very inactive (with all its consequences), then I started doing quite a lot of MTB until I have two boys and I stopped again, when the younger started to let us sleep I started again with the MTB and running, this was 4 years ago. I bought, then, my first chest strap and GPS device and it helped me, as @ChrisA says, to keep me active and not giving up, because I could see the progress. But nowadays that I listen to my body I think that I could pass without half of the things that the devices offer. For me the problem is the people that are more obsessed with the metrics and features than in enjoying the run/swim/ride… The other day, I even enjoyed doing some hard intervals
The more you know yourself, the less you need, but the thing is that we want all even we are not going to use it. -
@dulko79 said in Silence of Mind...:
It is the life style that pushes us so we do not have time for anything. Flooded with stress and information we miss so many things in life, like in relationships, in health…we are focused on unimportant bizzarre things. Not a lot of people listen and stop madness until something breaks…sometimes is too late.
I completely agree with you!
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@cosmecosta this is why I want my watch to help me during the activity, and give me some measurements that I can use, and not suggest me what to do or tell me that I am not training properly
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
Blog: isazi's home
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@isazi Agreed!
But here, IMHO, users need to be educated and sport watch producers need to educate how the metrics work. As an example, today I did a trail run where I did my best or second best time ever in that route, and I’m feeling that I’m improving but the new TP metrics are saying that I’m losing fitness, and my VO2max has gone also down. I know that all this metrics are based on HR and HR thresholds and I know how to trick VO2max to go up, and I know why it went down. I’m going to get obsessed because the watch and SA say something that I know is not true, NO but other people yes and this is also not good.
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@cosmecosta even if you know how it works it’s sometimes hard to do. The pressure of numbers is real
I’ve managed to keep myself under 145 HR when the temps went up only because I’ve switched pace off my watch face. I know that my pace is irrelevant but I can see how slow I am and its bugging me. Can’t see it, it’s not there, I don’t think about it, I focus on breathing, gait, etc and HR goes down. -
At my peak performance (climbing some pods) I did not have HRM. Yes I did track , but no HRM.
I still miss those times.
Here is a fun fact. At one of those trainings back in 2015 I had worn an HRM from a friend.
I went back to look at the values, it was something like avgHR 190 (not even sure if that is correct), something that today would explode me. Or do I think it would?
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos back in 2019 on one of the 10K races my average heart rate was 191 bpm, maxing out at finish line at 206 bpm. Not sure if HR data was correct or not, but it was mind blowing looking back at data the next day. It didn’t felt like that hard effort.
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@andrasveres that is also race HR. At a race typically the hr is +10-20bpm up, but feels ok.
Adrenaline?
But yeah, many “elite/proff” athletes do not even use HR
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos indeed, we get some invisible boost on race days
I noticed on my training that when I start to struggle I just stop looking at metrics and start focusing on finding the right mindset for comeback. I keep my watch to display only distance, time and average pace during many of my races and keep it as simple as possible on trainings too (focused on the type of training I do). Too much data can be overwhelming and keeping away my focus from what is important at that moment. -
@andrasveres I don’t look at time and distance on a long race, cause I don’t want to think about the future. I usually have only one screen focused on pace and a single lap, so I only focus about executing my plan in the present
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@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos @andrasveres You know which is the most important metric for me? Time of the day, to make sure that on week days I arrive at home before kids wake up and on weekends before my wife is angry
Jokes aside, we also should know that every individual is different. I usually run with a friend that his avgHR is 20 bpm less than mine for the same pace and route. At the beginning I thought his chest strap was faulty, but now we are using the same model and same watch. The other day we did some hard intervals, if you see his graph you can see perfectly all the intervals but mine was lets say, flattish. Of course he is more fitted to me.
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I really like the @ChrisA post. Agree 100%. I began a path of less is more a few years ago after my surgeries. When you learn that body has a time to health, mind has another timing to health and you have to go brick by brick, adjusting, learning about your body and a process, slow process…
Since then I use aerobic threshold (not anaerobic) to keep my workouts easy even when I’ve been asked if I’m injured because I ride or run very slow. In our society the healthy approach is gone. I prefer to get a faster time in a route with low heart rate rather than go all out and get a Pb. Sometimes a race, or nowadays a faster time in a route I like to do once a month.
The metrics can be useful or a great disturbance in the day.
I have almost all my notifications off, I prefer to run at 5;00a.m with the silence rather than 13;00 with the noise of the city… I train most of my time alone and I need that part of life. So this approach of silence is very intriguing for me.
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@isazi GPS reception can be wobbly sometimes and that affects pace too. Usually I have a target finish time or an average pace set for myself, thats why I use this combonation for my race display. That might change in the future, as I evolve. Right now I’m on the very beginning of my road.
@cosmecosta sure, HR is very individual, but it was ‘high’ compared to my previous runs. I didn’t intend to compare with anyone else’s HR.
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