Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@david-young you understand that:

You have all the stats of that start poi
You have the route in detail as breadbrumb

Do people from Suunto read these comments? If so could one of them kindly explain why they took functionality that was in the older watches (in my case a Traverse) out of the watch and put it in the app?

There was nothing gotten out of the traverse. It works as it worked right? or did I miss something?

David Young

Thanks for replying.

Yes, you have the stats for the start POI, but where does that get you? We’re assuming we have trekked out of reach of a wifi signal, and can’t use the app to make a new route.
Breadcrumb is NOWHERE explained in the S9 manual. Maybe it’s the solution?

Sorry, I didn’t mean that the Traverse had been impaired by removing the recording feature, I meant that the new expensive watches Suunto want us to buy have been impaired by removing the recording feature, and I’m curious as to why they did it!

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@david-young check the last screen. It always records the route even when paused. You can use that to navigate back to start even without enabling the “findback” function. The findback function is to show some stats around the starting points and add some arrows at the navigation screen.

David Young

@dimitrios-kanellopoulos OK, I’ll give Breadcrumb a try this afternoon when I trek into the wilds of the city centre.

nikshot

@dimitrios-kanellopoulosLet me just say that the moment we record the route, there is no going back, not even the last screen.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@david-young watch out there at the concrete jungle

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nikshot what do you mean ?

nikshot

@dimitrios-kanellopoulosWith A2 if it crashes maybe (but it didn’t happen to me) … but with S9 as it is connected it is guaranteed that I will not have a track at the end!

nikshot

@dimitrios-kanellopoulosIt’s very simple - return the old function in question.

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nikshot that is not so simple but I agree

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nikshot s9 will keep the current recorded data , also not sure what A2 would do

nikshot

@dimitrios-kanellopoulosS9 will keep them, but what of it as I will not be able to use them at the moment ??? I have relied on A2 for years and it has never betrayed me, I am happy to have kept it!

nikshot

@dimitrios-kanellopoulosI want to add that the application is great and very useful when I decide to plan a route from home, but when I’m in the wild I desperately need the most important features - you already know what it is

Dimitrios Kanellopoulos

@nikshot Roger.

Keep in mind I cannot promise. I am adding this feedback to my reports but even if this feature was the best / most wanted for me , I dont decide. I dont want to raise hopes that’s why I am saying this.

David Young

@nikshot did you contact Suunto and ask them why that functionality is missing from your app?

A Former User

@brad_olwin said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

I can import a GPX file from a list on the phone and import into SA … with no cellular and no wifi.

This isn’t working for me on the latest iOS public version. It loads the GPX file, it displays the route, but cannot save it (Save button doesn’t do anything when is pushed).

Fenr1r

@andrasveres Same here on 2.4.1 (Beta 8996). Save button does show it’s been tapped but that’s it. Tried with & w/o cached map tile areas, GPX from Files, from external storage. BT watch connection adds the “Use in watch” toggle but on/off makes no difference.

Brad_Olwin

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

@brad_olwinFor me this is a very serious drawback and again I say it makes no sense the whole concept of a watch whose main function is to be GPS navigation !!! Imagine three days moving in the high mountains in an absolutely unknown and wild place, without marked trails, without internet connection. Every day you make a track in the clock with the idea to go back the same way! On the fourth day you go back, but you don’t have internet, electricity in the phone, the phone broke, you lost your phone, the rain got it wet and it blocked … And what if I have a watch (depending on the phone in question) with GPS navigation, with a battery of up to 170 hours, a watch that is so strong and protected that it will work even after an atomic bomb ??? What exactly will it do for me in this situation - maybe to measure my heart rate (if I could and blood pressure: D) to find out how angry I am with the ridiculous situation …

I do a lot of off trail “runs” and SkiMo in the mountains. Either I make sure I have maps on my phone, they are downloaded and I know how to use them (my phone is more or less waterproof) and when out on multi day trips I will carry a paper map and a compass that I know how to use. Sorry but I would never depend on exclusively on the watch to navigate, no matter whether a watch had maps or not. So for me, and this is my opinion only, I use the watch so I do not have to take out a map frequently. However, when in new places I typically will check the map on my phone often, once every two hours or so……

Efejota

Same here iOS beta 2.4.1 (8996). GPX import is not possible (toggle button makes no difference). As previously stated, it is also impossible to have a route from an activity, make it a route and transfer to the watch without internet connection.

I do agree with @Brad_Olwin and @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos that this latter might be a very specific case. However, I find it of some use in certain circumstances where you need to save phone battery or connection is very poor or even inexistent. For people coming from A3P, for instance, is difficult to assume that you cannot do it in S9B. Also, if that possibility is present in Android, is hard to share its absence in iOS.

margusl

@efejota said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

For people coming from A3P, for instance, is difficult to assume that you cannot do it in S9B

Exactly. It’s one those small features that almost never ends up being a selling point, but there’s always a group of users picking it up and taking it as granted, even if they use it just once a year. I wouldn’t consider it as a safety feature, but it sure was nice to retrace part of trail run from last week or going though some unplanned/ah-hoc guiding and leading a group to the starting point of previous tour without too much bushwhacking. .

Another brand has pushed it a bit further by allowing to plot the track of any pervious activity still in the watch on top of the current, really nice for picking return points for those early morning phone-free strolls and jogs in the woods that you know bit less than assumed.