Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?

nikshot

@mff73I I don’t have it with the S9 either, and what if they are in the phone when I can’t use them … And with the A2 I have never lost activities.

cosme.costa

I have the S9B and I think that right now, regarding navigation, it is very very good, things can be improved of course but I really like it. I’m not the kind of guy that likes to be lost for some days in the woods, one morning/day is enough.

I think all of us are right and I think that what @nikshot asks for is a nice feature to have in the watch. I do not know how difficult is to do that, the info is there but maybe compressed and the watch is not capable of handle it, only Suunto knows.

@david-young the S9 and Spartans have never had this feature, and Ambits and Spartans/Sline have completely different OS.

Brad_Olwin

@nikshot said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

@mff73I I don’t have it with the S9 either, and what if they are in the phone when I can’t use them … And with the A2 I have never lost activities.

Yes, you do have offline sync without internet. I just checked mine again and I can upload a route to the watch with no internet. I am one version ahead on beta but this has been working for some time. I do not know if it works in the App Store version.
Here is a screen video recording. https://drive.google.com/file/d/18UfouL8ggmJ7SAtjLJBCTqRuDnn8CqtA/view?usp=sharing

@brad_olwin yeah, when a route is present in your list is okay, that is working in the public release too. Now try the following on your next activity: put phone on airplane mode, track your activity as usual with your watch, when finished sync activity with Suunto app, save track as a route, sync back the route to your watch.
As I understood this is what @nikshot tries to accomplish and it’s not working on iOS. I can confirm this with my setup.

Brad_Olwin

@andrasveres Correct, I think we all know that this is not possible. Many were stating that loading routes offline was not working, I wanted to document that offline route loading is possible. And as discussed, there are workarounds for the specific case.

@brad_olwin said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

I wanted to document that offline route loading is possible.

Correct, but only if previously a route is loaded into Suunto app. If someone is sharing a GPX file with me and my phone has no internet connection, I cannot import the route, on iOS at least.

But then again, I share the same belief as you mentioned: one should adequately prepare for a trip to an unfamiliar place.

nikshot

From everything written here I come to the conclusion that if I go with A2 which is an old generation watch I will be adequately prepared, but if I go with the new S9 no …or if I go to an unknown place, I have to take only my old A2, nothing else, but if I go with the modern and contemporary S9, I need a phone with internet and additional special adequate preparation …

@nikshot by adequately prepare I meant having: route already planned and loaded onto Suunto app/watch, a paper map or at least an offline map on your phone, compass, battery pack etc.

I get your concern, but at the moment this is the situation when no internet connection is present. This may or may not change in the future, Suunto 9 might get or not this feature back, the important thing is that you should be aware of this and plan your activities accordingly.
Ultimately the most important is to enjoy your activity and stay safe.

nikshot

@andrasveresAnd I’m trying to explain that in order for a person to enjoy nature and relax, it is necessary to break away from the busy everyday life. The first thing I do when I climb the high mountains is to turn off my phone;) there I do not need phone calls, sms and emails … there the phone is needed to turn on only when you need help;) and in this regard keeps the phone turned off to keep the battery …

Brad_Olwin

@nikshot I keep my phone in airplane mode as I need and use the maps. Many times I am going places where I have not been before.

nikshot

When I discovered A2, I realized that, thanks to it, I could now go wherever I wanted, without maps and without anyone’s help, I could explore the wilds all over the world. I realized that A2 is the tool that allows me to be a real adventurer. And if something goes wrong, A2 will bring me home! It was wonderful and I was happy. Today, S9 does not have the resources (at least at this stage) to give me this adventure experience. I really hope that the Suunto team will correct this huge omission!

sigi on the go

Is there any update on this topic or is the current firmware of the Sunnto 9 (Peak) still not able to navigate using a route from the log book?

I am a mountaineer/climber and have been using the Ambit 3 Peak, which supports this feature, for a long time now. This feature is lifesaving if you are in the mountains or on a big glacier with crevasses for several days. If the weather and sight turn bad you have all the tracks available from the previous days for navigating back.

Updating to the Sunnto 9 Peak is not an option if this feature is not supported.

Btw. Current Garmin watches still support this feature.

nikshot

@sigi-on-the-go this is what i was trying to explain to everyone here….

Tomas5

Don’t want to read whole thread (probably someone mentioned it before), but on iOS it is not possible to export recorded activity without internet connectivity so it is imposible to create new route and navigate by it when you don’t have good mobile signal with internet connection.

David Young

@Tomas5 That’s terrible. My old Traverse can build the route all by itself. I think it was a retrograde step on Suunto’s part to move the route-building code to the app for the S9, but at least with an Android phone you can work with Bluetooth alone.

(It’s still no fun though on a storm-lashed hillside to be sheltering your phone from the rain while waiting for the app to complete all its little checks and routines!)

Brad_Olwin

@David-Young @Tomas5 My hope is that the app will provide offline maps and offline routing. I have been asking for this longer than the thread has been here….

Tomas5

@David-Young compared to Ambit era, there is more usefull features that was removed from new watches.

@Tomas5 said in Transfer routes from logbook to navigation?:

compared to Ambit era, there is more usefull features that was removed from new watches.

This statement highly depends on the use case, as the above posts shows

freeheeler

@andrasveres
I agree! much more useful features have been added than removed… I wouldn’t want to step back

Tomas5

@andrasveres @freeheeler well I don’t say that there aren’t lot of new usefull features. I just say that there are usefull features that was removed:

Route navigation from log
Possibility to use multiple bike pods at once (cadence + power + speed)
Possibility to have paired two different bikes (same kind of pod)
Auto-calibration of bikepod
Custom programmed apps
Multiple displays with graph in one sports mode (hr + altitude for example)
Toggle backlight

From HW side: I miss compass on S5, but yes I could buy more expensive S9 so that’s more or less mine mistake.

This are just most obvious for me but maybe other people miss something else too.

To be fair, i really like new features like bluetooth and daily step counter i didn’t have on A2S. And daily WHR is nice to have but considering accuracy I would gladly trade it for compass, multiple graphs, toggle backlight etc if there was this possibility.

But i don’t want to spoil this thread, so i will keep out of this topic anymore.