S9 Watch faces
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@rhustox
Incredibelly super marvellous …
you will make my journey … or my year !!!
if you deliver themI hope having not make things to sophisiticated and just respecting yoru own logic
… and I’m a 9 BARO owner … so do not make me the trick / joke to release this only in a PEAK one but not on a 9 BARO … otherwise … send me a PEAK for BETA testing … or reward for ideas Just one point : have you noticed that i added a graph on temperature ?
the look & feel is the same it is may be “just” the acquisition of T° data regularly to put in place … but it could be nice to see the trend … may be a gadget here … or… if it is during an exercise could be interresting to capture and see if the human performances are not influenced by the temperarures -
@pierre-yves-colle said in S9 Watch faces:
@rhustox
Incredibelly super marvellous …
you will make my journey … or my year !!! if you deliver themI hope having not make things to sophisiticated and just respecting yoru own logic
… and I’m a 9 BARO owner … so do not make me the trick / joke to release this only in a PEAK one but not on a 9 BARO … otherwise … send me a PEAK for BETA testing … or reward for ideas Just one point : have you noticed that i added a graph on temperature ?
the look & feel is the same it is may be “just” the acquisition of T° data regularly to put in place … but it could be nice to see the trend … may be a gadget here … or… if it is during an exercise could be interresting to capture and see if the human performances are not influenced by the temperaruresHey, please don’t get me wrong, I’m a plane user with the same needs and concerns on having better options on my watch as you or any other Suunto’s user. I wish I would be in some kind of Suunto dev or design team but rather I’m quite far from headquarters or even with high quality engineering skills to apply for.
My proposals are only as a user, it’s been long long time since being in the international sports career and even being an active sports person my wish is to be heard from Suunto and with luck get all these options available for everyone to enjoy.Sorry if I sounded differently. My design and marketing skills helped me somehow focusing the ideas I have putting them together as improvements to capture in a graphic form to be understood.
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@rhustox
AH AH AH … AHHHHHHHHHHH
<= Joking => <= to desperate =>
Well is there anyone from SUUNTO DEV Team listening here … BTW in a forum hosted with a URL = …suunto.com … or in fact they found a trick to make us just dream …
I know that Santa Klaus is a such Notht guy that Suunto Cie is …
And I will still believe that SUUNTO could be this Santa Klaus for us See my post here … you will get a good idea about my dreamed 9 BARO 2022 gift
https://forum.suunto.com/topic/6728/watch-face-improvement-synthesis-pyc?_=1625667568320
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@pierre-yves-colle I think there may be some listening but, there are those here that can communicate with the Dev team. If you look through the forum at past requests and how they have been solved, you will see Suunto tends to make long range, more global changes IMHO. Typically those changes are deeply integrated into the devices and overall design. One example is wireless offline syncing, asked back in the Ambit days. This required new hardware and a completely new mobile app. And, it wasn’t just wireless offline syncing that was integrated but wireless offline route loading as well. Given how few new watch faces have been introduced in the last 2 years, I doubt that extensive changes to watch faces will occur and I expect if the requests gain traction, which they might you may see them integrated in ways you did not expect. From my perspective of owning Suunto’s for a long time, I appreciate the deep level of integration the development team strives for and not as some competitors that pile on features poorly integrated into the mobile software and operating firmware. This is just my opinion and my observations.
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Hello Brad, this is my fear …
Being marketing oriented they may go for features that they think will be “fashion victim” and future target but not for those already ownign a SUUNTO … you sell much easier a very new watch design totally different than just some adjusments … somehow I understand them, this is normal … but in another side … beign an IT guy since now 30 years and used to design, code and improve GUI, what I’m suggesting is not rocket science neitheir revolutionary nor going in the opposite way of their logic and last but not least … if the code was an open source available one, I’m convinced that I could have released in the same time what I’m suggesting that the time it took me all to document and think to all these posts since now 2 weeks … so … a small effort indeed …
But OK let see how it evolves … .it will be very interresting now to cool down and observe … it might drive future choice for a future acquisition either staying with SUUNTO or if others show they do better … to go to competition … COROS seems to become better and better … but I do not like to go elsewhere without having given all the option to stay.One point SUUNTO should take care … Being proprietary is most surely the right approach – I though a lot to this and finally I’m convinced it is the good choice – but another nordic company who was by far TOP 1 made the exactly same mistake … and sunk … NOKIA … listening to users’s ideas and still having a small task force to move ahead and deliver is not a high cost but keep them in movement … nothing is worht that being static … it can kill you hyper fast especially when you discover that the other have moved suddently to a place that you were thinkign they cannot reach .
I leave this story of NOKIA very sadly as it damaged us a lot … this is also why even if honestly I have nothing so much to gain I’m still proposing improvement …
and also for the beauty to activate the brain and dream ::-)Let’s see
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@pierre-yves-colle there are at least two people working for Suunto in this forum. There may be more, but I don’t know them
But hey, this forum is mostly about the user community, it provides a feedback to Suunto but is not how you contact Suunto if you need to talk with someone at the company. It’s in primis where you talk with other users, and where you follow the beta program of the Suunto app.
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@mister-pyc Nokia didn’t fail for that.
Nokia failed because the lower rank employees didn’t raise their voice to their faulty managers decisions.
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They will remain top secret otherwise … poor guys … they will be under assault
My just point was … I hope it is not only a forum for nothing and we talk talk talk talk … forever … we valuate betwteen ourselves our ideas … but no-one is on the other side of the streetAll is possible in IT
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@dimitrios-kanellopoulos said in S9 Watch faces:
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Humm humm … a little bit more complex … I was not far from this story … my cie was having N… for more than 30% few years before they collapse and fortunatelly for us our ceo command to diversify as too dangerous … still I let you imagine what a 30% customer is interconnected with its supplier what was the side effect …
They failed because they did not saw the wave coming and too sure that by having the more robust better material will always be the driving factor …whereas many people may choose a competitor product only on cosmetic aspects …
Looking to the watches … this market is evolving now COROS is here … a chinese cie … and we never know what will be their next move …
What is strange by the way … when you look to comparison articles on the web … I’m sorry to say that but none is serious … I was reading some yesterday between COROS, SUUNTO, GARMIN … some which were the most with content … and despite that you have the feeling that the guys who tested it were just with the watch for few hours or even minutes and did their paper based on the marketing docs … no-one for example valuate the usability of the watch GUI … for example when you read on COROS Vertix … the guy tells you that it is THE watch for mountainers … and when you try to get why … it is just because he saw that above 2500 m the watch compute your oxygen level and tell you if you could continue or better do a stop … well well well … I prefer to reserve my comment on this … -
@mister-pyc I think this has been mentioned before.
This board has been founded by Suunto to listen. And it continues to work this way.
Still there is no direct way into development with high priority just because one is shouting louder than others. -
@mister-pyc it’s not for nothing if we talk. There is a ton to learn from people in this forum, about watches, sport, life, training.
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There is lots of ways to take all these ideas, improvements, proposals, whatever you want to call it, being realistic or not for the company interests now in short or long terms.
One certain thing nowadays is the companies are no longer in charge in high percentage (unfortunately for them) of what they produce, design and what it’s going to happen next next.
As a little fact and funny example, imagine expensive and powerful cars like ‘Lambo’ and Ferrari with its endless history fight between their founders. One day things turned, already happened, and got to got for electric engines (unfortunately soon) instead of amazing sound combustion engines… Would you keep against the current because you say so, would you follow the market? It may sound easy but I’m sure it is not for a brand.
Another tragic story of Spanish motor brands: Years ago, there used to exist Ebro and Pegaso (vans and trucks) and Bultaco, Ossa and Montesa (motorbikes). As many other companies that failed around 60s-80s the lack of focus, market vision, money to invest, techonogy and listening to the market needs ended up with the total failure of their amazing products. Now, here comes the sad thing when you open wide a japanese motorbike engine of any brand. They are all a replica of the first Spanish models. The japanese took the idea, copied its core along with development and improvement they became the best motorbike brands.Not trying to criticise or anything against Suunto, just saying that the market is evolving everyday, of everything really, now from some years ago and bearing this trend for many years coming there would be a moment that if you are not capable of doing what I really need you become useless.
Do you think your Suunto watch should be tactile? What for when you are skiing with big gloves, cycling at 40km/h or maybe running a marathon, should be a must for a good use and performance? I don’t think so, it is just a response of a trend and if you are not in it, you are out and forgotten.
We can see that in many ways, social media (remember Google+), new amazing products or not so good, if this thing is not exactly what the market needs now maybe it is not the time for it and becomes useless. If you bring something that was needed only some time ago, it is again useless.
I can imagine myself the strive of every tech company brand. I work for a different branch of business in the marketing-design-image area and I can say the pressure is high, the rivalry is tough, the price to be the number one is rampagin and all this fight is to bring the final user the best product, the price and the best experience.
I’m sure if there are listeners, here in this forum or somewhere else where they take tips for improvement, the company is smart enough to do the best they can to at least ‘please’ every demmand on their interest and for the good of all both old and new customers because it is more difficult to get a new customer than to make happy an old one. Here is an example of one that never had another ABC or GPS watch rather than Suunto, even had the chance to I preferred to keep with.
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@rhustox said in S9 Watch faces:
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SUPER INTERRESTING TO READ
So this site is not only pure SUUNTO products oriented … but also to ahve very good discussions and exchanges of ideas … goofd!!!
BTW …
I’m a harley davidson biker … so it rings me a bell when you talk about sound of the engine …
Also … I like the touchable screen, quite ncie even if I agree with you the use of it is more a “city” one … and I noticed that when I swim the tactile screen is becoming no more tactile at all and do not obey anymore to your finger … same if there is some rain on it … it is not a big problem per say as the same can be done through the buttons but still some may see this as a problem
I saw COROS approach with there scroll wheel and I may like it also …Concerning you thoughs, you are very right !
I will not say it is the market which is such changing but the people today are no more satisfied during a long term about what they have … it is true for their toys, cars, but also partner unfortunatelly (nothing personnal here) … all is becoming just a consumer object that you may thrown very fast even if the next one is far more expensive but has just one more gadget that everyone talk and indeed is pure martketing … this is our new life …
Are we not deviating from the initial post ???
Let’s come back on it : I hope a lot SUUNTO DEV boys and girls listen here because nto only we are suggesting some improvements that we we love but we are already telling them that they did a fanstastic job and we like their watch … we just want more … well … we are aligned with this new world … even if I do not like this high abuse of ressources so much …
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I’m a harley davidson biker … so it rings me a bell when you talk about sound of the engine …
If you like bikes, have a look at those Spanish classic old firms, I’m sure you will find some really interesting models.
I got myself an Ossa 350 from 1973, exactly as the one in the pic:
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Would be great to see other proposals of interesting designs for new watch faces.
Any new or better ideas of how could new watch faces look and work?
I would love to knoe if there is any way that Suunto could try this new feature in the phone app by choosing watch faces from a more extense gallery options and customise them in same or similar way as we do in sport mode screens.
With that I could say that by 100% there is a massive positive feedback and greater interest and better user experience on the S9s family.
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@rhustox said in S9 Watch faces:
Would be great to see other proposals of interesting designs for new watch faces.
Any new or better ideas of how could new watch faces look and work?
I would love to knoe if there is any way that Suunto could try this new feature in the phone app by choosing watch faces from a more extense gallery options and customise them in same or similar way as we do in sport mode screens.
With that I could say that by 100% there is a massive positive feedback and greater interest and better user experience on the S9s family.
I think that we should not forget that as a company, Suunto, almost for sure has a structure that consists of people paid to benchmark/innovate/testers.
I don’t believe any of those persons, testers included, had never said to suunto “hey guys, maybe you should have customizable watch faces”. It is just suunto that decided to focus on another thing first, due to their limited resources.
I would say, for example on accuracy of gps…If accuracy of gps is more important than watch faces, only market can tell, and that is a decision of suunto to do it that way.
Although we think that watchfaces are “simple”, I believe that may need intensive testing to pass Suunto standarts, for not having bugs/drain battery.
I would be happy if at least the data fields were customizable or I could have any data once I tap. But if they haven’t done it yet, for sure there was a reason. -
@andré-faria I agree and disagree at equal parts, there are many litle tiny things in every new and due product that along its development goes from one hand or department to the other, so I’m sure there is a design department maybe smaller than the Global Positioning System and many other satellite data engineering one. Otherwise would be sillly for a company like this the same deparment to be designer, accountant, tech engineer, janitor and debug technician.
As well as you mentioned there should have been asked before ‘I don’t believe any of those persons, testers included, had never said to suunto “hey guys, maybe you should have customizable watch faces”.’
There must be a big difference between Kilian Jornet and me or you and many around the globe. Otherwise we all could run to the Everest’s summit with flip flops and shorts like going to the baker for a croissant. I mean, different needs for different use and as long as the major number of users are like me now just sports enthusiasts the accuray of the GPS line shown in my phone over the map is not taking my sleep rather than having a cool design among others and of customisable fields that I can choose from.Would you disagree? Maybe, sure, when I was in the Spanish National Track Cycling Team back in the 2000s we had nothing else but HR monitors with cadence, later came the power meters and I sometime after the years having a fun chat with old teammates we remember when we were fantasasing of getting real position and power info in the track, out at the road trainings and also in the gym when weightlifting.
If some of us was able to talk to Suunto about that time wouldn’t make a difference? Probably, the thing is the time will tell but if you focus in data performance and forget the design is like having iOS 14 inside an old push button Sony Ericsson cell. As a company, you can not leave those steps behind. And as a user you can not take for granted that if the company does it this way if for a reason.Might sound aggressive or egoistic but trust me, does not at all. If as a user or as a sportsman would be super happy and conformist or not willing to give any good idea of improvement, I would not be in this forum taking my time trying to bring some clues for future design plans for better performance and experience. Do not even think I’m using this forum in a way of silly arguing with people I do not know. Not a social media fan actually, so I’m happy taking some of my time here for a good porpuse.
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@rhustox said in S9 Watch faces:
In fact I don’t disagree with you. I think that maybe some top athletes don’t care much about gadgets, they just “go” and look at basic/needed features.
But that is why Suunto doesn’t only have top athletes testing (I believe…)Regarding us users, having an impact, I trully know that we have, that is why you see a lot of features implemented.
I just commented in order to “say” that things take time, and sometimes may not be their top priority.
As product engineer on cycling industry, I see it all the time, customers think we can get the latest and greatest tomorrow, but there is more behind it than just “selling it”.
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@andré-faria said in S9 Watch faces:
That’s right, never said it would be as easy or quick but who knows the results, it could become somthing that the market might need or ask (not only me) and even could put the brand on first position on this kind of features.
Anyway, we’ll see if there’s something they can do for the good.Just for the fun, in the meantime, Garmin got some Suunto watchface!
Haha, this is inspired on Suunto Core, nice approach!
