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    zhang965
    last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 13:41 2 Sept 2019, 13:41

    suuntoHR.PNG

    https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/tutorial-tuesday/how-to-use-suunto-spartans-heart-rate-zones/

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      zhang965
      last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:43

      I think the question was, we wanted to know where this definition comes from, it seems it’s different than others references, it most likes only suunto’s definition

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        Brad_Olwin Moderator @zhang965
        last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:52

        @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

        I had the same question as Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

        I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

        I disagree with the fact that LT is worth nothing but combining with VO2 max is best. When pyruvate produced by glycolysis cannot be utilized in the TCA cycle lactate accumulates and the pH can drop due to hydrogen ion production. The ability to use lactate and prevent its accumulation will vary depending on the type of muscle fibers where endurance athletes will have a much higher number of slow twitch fibers and sprinters, fast twitch fibers. The lactate threshold will change depending on fitness as well.

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          Armin S. @zhang965
          last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:02

          @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

          suuntoHR.PNG

          https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/tutorial-tuesday/how-to-use-suunto-spartans-heart-rate-zones/

          Thanks for the link. Exactly this information I was looking for! Very nice that there is this help here in the forum. Thanks again ☺

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            zhang965 @Brad_Olwin
            last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 14:04 2 Sept 2019, 14:04

            @Brad_Olwin said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

            @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

            I had the same question as Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

            I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

            I disagree with the fact that LT is worth nothing but combining with VO2 max is best. When pyruvate produced by glycolysis cannot be utilized in the TCA cycle lactate accumulates and the pH can drop due to hydrogen ion production. The ability to use lactate and prevent its accumulation will vary depending on the type of muscle fibers where endurance athletes will have a much higher number of slow twitch fibers and sprinters, fast twitch fibers. The lactate threshold will change depending on fitness as well.

            OK, then do a lactate threshold test

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              zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 14:11 2 Sept 2019, 14:10

              @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

              @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

              I show you an example from euh… GARMIN!

              It’s funny because… this piece of information only can be found in Garmin TW/HK, it quite closes to suunto’s proposal.

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                zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:14

                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

                it’s…33 minutes ago1sec.PNG

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                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
                  last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:16

                  @zhang965 lol yeah.

                  My coach :

                  They relate to how humans produce lactate at different intensity and are a general guideline until you have a dedicated lactate threshold test and vo2max test to guide you. The irony is that after you have those test 99% of athletes still fall into the zones I have you. Just with small variations of course.

                  To fully understand the concept you’d have to analyze how different elite athletes perform. Most top athletes ; with almost no exemption, clock in their individual lactate threshold at 91-95% of max hr.

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                    sartoric Moderator
                    last edited by sartoric 9 Feb 2019, 14:32 2 Sept 2019, 14:31

                    Out of curiosity, who is using real HRmax (lab tested) and who is using “calculated” one ?
                    For those who use calculated, are you using Cooper’s algorithm or something more “recent” like Tanaka and maybe Karvonen to retrieve HR for specific percentage ?

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                      johann.fuehrer Bronze Member @sartoric
                      last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:35

                      @sartoric I have lab tested when getting also LTHR. Karvonen would have sent my HRmax to 168 but I have 193 🙂

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                        zhang965 @sartoric
                        last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:48

                        @sartoric

                        I set the lab tested HR on my watch.

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                          Mff73 @sartoric
                          last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 16:23

                          @sartoric said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                          Out of curiosity, who is using real HRmax (lab tested) and who is using “calculated” one ?
                          For those who use calculated, are you using Cooper’s algorithm or something more “recent” like Tanaka and maybe Karvonen to retrieve HR for specific percentage ?

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                            Brad_Olwin Moderator @sartoric
                            last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 17:43

                            @sartoric I have both VO2 max and LT tested to set my zones.

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