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    hanta @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by hanta 13 Aug 2018, 17:34

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

    Sportstracker has nothing to do with SA in regards to zones. Either moves count.

    Other than it displays your HR metrics with zones which are something else you can see from your watch or from SuuntoApp…

    Is there any plans for Sports-tracker web interface, is it the place which is going to be improved to display all data from SuuntoApp or is there going to be some completely new web interface? I think Sports-tracker web interface is already pretty good, but it lacks some features like these HR zones.

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      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @hanta
      last edited by 13 Aug 2018, 17:56

      @hanta clear I sew your contusion. Sports tracker is not related to suunto or the suunto app for data. You can use it to see your data but hr zones for example will be wrong.

      A new totally web should be the solution

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        Mi_chael Bronze Member @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        last edited by 13 Aug 2018, 18:04

        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos
        Yes, a new web page would be great.
        😉

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          hanta @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
          last edited by hanta 14 Aug 2018, 18:27

          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos sorry about bit of offtopic, but is there anything you can share with us, wen we can expect to have (beta?) web interface for SuuntoApp?

          Android SuuntoApp is starting to get good shape, only thing im missing is good web interface for desktop use.

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @hanta
            last edited by 14 Aug 2018, 18:43

            @hanta not at all to be honest. If it is I’ll make a plan and include the users here

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              Armin S. @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
              last edited by Armin S. 29 Aug 2019, 11:49

              Hi, a slightly different question in this context (I did not want to open a new topic in addition):
              In the Suunto 5, the default for the HR zones is given in a completely different way than in the classic specifications such as 90-80-70% x HRmax.

              1. Why are the recommendations ​​of Suunto 5 so different?
              2. What values ​​for the HR zones should I prefer as a recreational athlete - Suunto’s recommendations or the values ​​given in the fitness literature?

              Thanks for your tips!

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                Armin S. @Armin S.
                last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 09:54

                @Armin-S said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                Hi, a slightly different question in this context (I did not want to open a new topic in addition):
                In the Suunto 5, the default for the HR zones is given in a completely different way than in the classic specifications such as 90-80-70% x HRmax.

                1. Why are the recommendations ​​of Suunto 5 so different?
                2. What values ​​for the HR zones should I prefer as a recreational athlete - Suunto’s recommendations or the values ​​given in the fitness literature?

                Thanks for your tips!

                Does anyone here have an explanation or suggestion?

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                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @Armin S.
                  last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:32

                  @Armin-S This is a very tough question. The best way to set HR zones is to get a lactate threshold test done. In most places these are not that expensive. Otherwise you can estimate from your maximum and adjust based on RPE. I frankly do not know how the S5 guesses HR zones as I input mine manually.

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                    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
                    last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:36

                    Perhaps I can help here.

                    For running this was suggested for me and what I suggest to others

                    I5 92-97%
                    I4 87-92%
                    I3 82-87%
                    I2 72-82%
                    I1 60-72%

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                      zhang965
                      last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 13:45 2 Sept 2019, 13:39

                      I had the same question for Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

                      I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

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                        zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                        last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:39

                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                        Perhaps I can help here.

                        For running this was suggested for me and what I suggest to others

                        I5 92-97%
                        I4 87-92%
                        I3 82-87%
                        I2 72-82%
                        I1 60-72%

                        Hello DK, it’s the predefined zones in Suunto watches? or it’s just YOUR suggestions?

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                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
                          last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:40

                          @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

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                            zhang965
                            last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 13:41 2 Sept 2019, 13:41

                            suuntoHR.PNG

                            https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/tutorial-tuesday/how-to-use-suunto-spartans-heart-rate-zones/

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                              zhang965
                              last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:43

                              I think the question was, we wanted to know where this definition comes from, it seems it’s different than others references, it most likes only suunto’s definition

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                                Brad_Olwin Moderator @zhang965
                                last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 13:52

                                @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                I had the same question as Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

                                I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

                                I disagree with the fact that LT is worth nothing but combining with VO2 max is best. When pyruvate produced by glycolysis cannot be utilized in the TCA cycle lactate accumulates and the pH can drop due to hydrogen ion production. The ability to use lactate and prevent its accumulation will vary depending on the type of muscle fibers where endurance athletes will have a much higher number of slow twitch fibers and sprinters, fast twitch fibers. The lactate threshold will change depending on fitness as well.

                                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                  Armin S. @zhang965
                                  last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:02

                                  @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                  suuntoHR.PNG

                                  https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/tutorial-tuesday/how-to-use-suunto-spartans-heart-rate-zones/

                                  Thanks for the link. Exactly this information I was looking for! Very nice that there is this help here in the forum. Thanks again ☺

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                                    zhang965 @Brad_Olwin
                                    last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 14:04 2 Sept 2019, 14:04

                                    @Brad_Olwin said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                    @zhang965 said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                    I had the same question as Suunto’s default HR zones as well, it’s not just 10% 10%, it’s not HRR either.

                                    I did a lab test to find my VO2max and the doctor told me the Lactate threshold is not been used anymore for 10 years in France, it’s too old fashion and it worth nothing for nowadays, they do a Ventilatory threshold test which can find you a VT1 and VT2 (your lactate threshold is in this zone), it’s the best zone that you can work on.

                                    I disagree with the fact that LT is worth nothing but combining with VO2 max is best. When pyruvate produced by glycolysis cannot be utilized in the TCA cycle lactate accumulates and the pH can drop due to hydrogen ion production. The ability to use lactate and prevent its accumulation will vary depending on the type of muscle fibers where endurance athletes will have a much higher number of slow twitch fibers and sprinters, fast twitch fibers. The lactate threshold will change depending on fitness as well.

                                    OK, then do a lactate threshold test

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                                      zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                      last edited by zhang965 9 Feb 2019, 14:11 2 Sept 2019, 14:10

                                      @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                      @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

                                      I show you an example from euh… GARMIN!

                                      It’s funny because… this piece of information only can be found in Garmin TW/HK, it quite closes to suunto’s proposal.

                                      s2-0.jpg
                                      s2-0.jpg

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                                        zhang965 @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                        last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:14

                                        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in HR Zones in the watch and suunto app:

                                        @zhang965 my suggestions. I need to find the source 1 sec

                                        it’s…33 minutes ago1sec.PNG

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                                          Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @zhang965
                                          last edited by 2 Sept 2019, 14:16

                                          @zhang965 lol yeah.

                                          My coach :

                                          They relate to how humans produce lactate at different intensity and are a general guideline until you have a dedicated lactate threshold test and vo2max test to guide you. The irony is that after you have those test 99% of athletes still fall into the zones I have you. Just with small variations of course.

                                          To fully understand the concept you’d have to analyze how different elite athletes perform. Most top athletes ; with almost no exemption, clock in their individual lactate threshold at 91-95% of max hr.

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