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    seanvk @Guest
    last edited by 19 May 2023, 16:59

    @NickK That’s a great summary on the support and has been my experience using Stryd with Garmin and Suunto. But now with native running power, I’ve just been using my 8020Endurance running plans (power based) on TP without Stryd entirely. I do recognize that I’ll periodically need to do running tests to adjust my ftp, but I do that anyway as a part of the 8020Endurance training plans.

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      seanvk @herlas
      last edited by 19 May 2023, 17:12

      @herlas said in Stryd:

      My only issue on the Suunto side is the power zone Z4 upper limit being the fixed value for FTP. As a result, I have to set TSS from TP to all my Suunto workouts all the time, as my FTP is not by any means close to that Z4 upper limit.

      This is a challenge with all device makers. Device makers try to define zones that work best with their their training and load methodologies. When a user is working with a third party training plan which defines its own zones, it’s like trying to merge multiple different paradigms. Stryd has theirs and so does Matt Fitzgerald’s 80/20.

      It’s a no win scenario

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        seanvk @seanvk
        last edited by 19 May 2023, 17:17

        @seanvk just to add that the real saving grace here is that TP sends only the power ranges for each segment. It still messes with device maker’s zone mapping. But if you use external platforms like TP, FS, and Intervals.icu you can set your zones from a range of methodologies. You do your post workout analysis there and not through Sunnyo’s SA or Garmin’s Connect.

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          A Former User @seanvk
          last edited by 19 May 2023, 17:28

          @seanvk I follow 80/20 zones too.

          So, my solution is to anchor my 4/5 zone in the watch to the top of my Zone 3 in Training Peaks (i.e. 3/Y in 80/20 lingo). That gives me accurate pTSS/rTSS/hrTSS in Suunto app without any need for updating TSS in workouts to make them match what I have in TP. The lower zones like X, 2, and 1 then follow. The top zones get all lumped up into 5 in the watch, which is fine as it is unlikely I’ll ever be targeting any of them outside the intervals/repeats anyways. And I can still use lower “gears” for my intensity targets on recovery/easy/long runs without structured workouts.

          For training, I’m relying on TP and expressing all my intensities as % of pace/power threshold, and so the exact zones are somewhat of a moot point. Stryd gets my TP workouts and is able to show how well I match the power targeted just fine. Most of their analytics is driven by time spent at % of CP.

          The only thing that is broken in this scheme of things is time spent in specific Stryd zones. Well, you can’t have everything!

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            herlas Silver Members @seanvk
            last edited by 19 May 2023, 17:29

            @seanvk power zones are one thing, TSS calculation doesn’t uses power zones at all, it’s relative to the % of FTP used during your workout and its length.

            TP allows you to set FTP alone, and you can set whatever power zones schema you want.

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              A Former User @herlas
              last edited by 19 May 2023, 17:45

              @herlas said in Stryd:

              TP allows you to set FTP alone, and you can set whatever power zones schema you want.

              I think the problem people have is that for TSS to work properly in Suunto watches FTP has to be anchored in 4/5 zone boundary while Stryd, for example, puts it into 3/4. Hence, if you want your watch zones match your Stryd zones for training, your TSS and other analysis – like Coach stuff – will be off.

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                RightNow Bronze Member @Guest
                last edited by 19 May 2023, 17:52

                Too confusing to me what was written. If I am using a TrainingPeaks plan. What is to be done to run excactly the plan with the power Ranges described in TrainingPeaks?
                What issues are expected?
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                  herlas Silver Members @Guest
                  last edited by herlas 19 May 2023, 17:58

                  @NickK that’s exactly what I’ve described as my only issue on the Suunto side, until FTP can be set alone, meaning not dependant of power zones, people will have to do what either you do, adjusting Z4 to fall into your FTP value or what I do, adjusting TSS on Suunto workout every single time as it gets undercalculated. (I opt for the last as I find the power zones ring and power zone targets so useful on my Suunto watch 😉 )

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                    herlas Silver Members @RightNow
                    last edited by 19 May 2023, 18:04

                    @RightNow long history short, if your FTP isn’t matching the Suunto Z4 upper limit, the Suunto watch will underestimate your TSS for any given workout, TP will show you the correct TSS though.

                    As far as the workout execution, nothing changes you should be fine there

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                      seanvk @herlas
                      last edited by 19 May 2023, 21:45

                      @herlas said in Stryd:

                      @seanvk power zones are one thing, TSS calculation doesn’t uses power zones at all, it’s relative to the % of FTP used during your workout and its length.

                      TP allows you to set FTP alone, and you can set whatever power zones schema you want.

                      Yes, I do that. I set 80/20 zones and my FTP in TP and intervals.icu. I just don’t pay attention to SA due to their zone definition.

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                        RightNow Bronze Member @seanvk
                        last edited by RightNow 20 May 2023, 13:14

                        Sorry that I have to ask again. What I understand is that I can use Stryd structured workouts described in TrainingPeaks and everything will be fine. The only thing is to do the offline sync.

                        Now the topic I don’t understand excactly. What I have to care about is to align the power setting on my new vertical watch. Right? Between zone 4 and 5 should be the FTP.
                        But still I have the feeling from your writing/posts before that still something will be wrong or not usable with those settings. Right or wrong?

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                          A Former User @RightNow
                          last edited by 20 May 2023, 13:33

                          @RightNow said in Stryd:

                          What I understand is that I can use Stryd structured workouts described in TrainingPeaks and everything will be fine. The only thing is to do the offline sync.

                          If you don’t care about advanced Stryd metrics like vertical oscillation or leg springiness or form factor no offline sync is required. The offline sync will only bring these to the workouts uploaded by Suunto.

                          What I have to care about is to align the power setting on my new vertical watch. Right? Between zone 4 and 5 should be the FTP.

                          If you don’t set your FTP in Zone 4/5 on the watch, TSS calculated by the Suunto app will be off, and so will be your Progress Report and some of the data in Training Zone in the app. You’d be able to fix that by manually changing TSS for your workouts based on TP values.

                          Neither TP, nor Stryd care about how your watch is setup specifically.

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                            isazi Moderator @Guest
                            last edited by 25 May 2023, 14:39

                            @NickK I can see at least power and ground contact time in the graph, so not just averages but all recorded values. Cannot say much for other aspects (I only did one test).

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                              A Former User @isazi
                              last edited by 26 May 2023, 14:10

                              @isazi You mean in Suunto app workout analysis, after you used that much rumored about Stryd S+ app?

                              Yes, that’s how I imagine it would work based on what I’m seeing from Fat Burner that gives you not only the averages that go into split/workout summaries but also the actual time series.

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                                isazi Moderator @Guest
                                last edited by 26 May 2023, 16:18

                                @NickK yes in Suunto App

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                                  RightNow Bronze Member @isazi
                                  last edited by 11 Jun 2023, 15:35

                                  Any timeline when the new STRYD Suunto plus app will be available? Soon? Later? Next year? 😂

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                                    isazi Moderator @RightNow
                                    last edited by 11 Jun 2023, 15:37

                                    @RightNow whenever Suunto and Stryd believe it’s ready.

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                                      RightNow Bronze Member @isazi
                                      last edited by 11 Jun 2023, 15:43

                                      @isazi Thats the answer I’ve expected but it was worth a try 😊

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                                        isazi Moderator @RightNow
                                        last edited by 11 Jun 2023, 15:44

                                        @RightNow 😂

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                                          last edited by 11 Jun 2023, 18:12

                                          @isazi you should be politician man 😂

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