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@Patrick-Löffler-0 said in Reviews:
Any ideas what else we get, besides improvements in the lag, with Monday’s firmware update?
We get the end of “When will be the november update?!” and that’s priceless.
Of course, it will soon be replaced by “when is the next update” but for a few hours, we’ll have peace.S9PP
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@Patrick-Löffler-0 said in Reviews:
Any ideas what else we get, besides improvements in the lag, with Monday’s firmware update?
We get the end of “When will be the november update?!” and that’s priceless.
Of course, it will soon be replaced by “when is the next update” but for a few hours, we’ll have peace.
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@Patrick-Löffler-0 sounds like the zoom out limit will get increased from 500m to 2km.
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I remember Polar (or was it Coros) once put Ray’s verdict about one of their newest watches on their homepage… Perhaps Suunto should do this too? “… This watch is awesome…!”
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@taziden Noooo, immediately there will be “why still no payment (music, routing, coffee maker, etc.) in this update?”
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@taziden it’s only for Suunto Vertical, sorry https://www.youtube.com/shorts/C2QTDpdGCzg
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@v-sacre I don’t really get why sleep stages won’t be on SV. I cannot imagine it’s a HW limitation.
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@tomasbartko “Some people choose to sleep without sleep stage tracking”. Explorers don’t need this fancy stuff in their tents on a mountain.
But you’re right, that’s probably just marketing to differentiate the products. On the other hand, I could be wrong. Who knows.
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@wmichi well yeah, my life will be still the same, with or without it. But I am a curious person, so I would like to understand why…
It’s offtopic anyway so I am quiet now 
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@Patrick-Löffler-0 You can zoom out to 2km on the maps
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@duffman19 said in Reviews:
Here it is - https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2023/11/suunto-race-amoled-in-depth-review.html
I don’t really get why he says that the SR is “much better” than the SV, pointing news features that will arrive (most of them) also on SV.
Except the amoled and rotative crown, there is not much differences.After reading the review, my view is that it’s likely because:
- Ray appears to have a preference for Amoled screens and believes the market is going in that direction. Data on how the sales ratios of Epix/Fenix, 965/955 etc are evolving would support or refute that. I doubt Garmin would be pushing so heavily into Amoled if the unit sales data (and possibly margins) weren’t favourable.
- The Vertical is 40-50% more expensive (at least in the UK it is). I know that’s almost certainly because of manufacturing location but I doubt most people will be willing to pay up to £$€250 more for made in Finland.
- There may also be an element of this being the “best” (most featured) Suunto watch in terms of capability when first released, rather than what it evolves into further down the line.
Ray does clearly acknowledge that nearly all of the updates will come to the Vertical. Having been reading his articles for a few years, I’ve found him one of the best at covering new feature releases for existing watches, not just new watch launches.
If I was upgrading my S9PP, I’d most likely get the Vertical because battery life is a priority for me. But if I was no longer running 100hr+ ultramarathons, I’d probably get the Race.
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@tomasbartko “Some people choose to sleep without sleep stage tracking”. Explorers don’t need this fancy stuff in their tents on a mountain.
But you’re right, that’s probably just marketing to differentiate the products. On the other hand, I could be wrong. Who knows.
I don‘t get that either. If you asked me what Suunto‘s flagship is I‘d answer „Vertical“. Not the Race. The Vertical should be on par with the Race if hardware permits. The Vertical should not artificially be demoted so short after its launch. These marketing moves reduce my trust. But I‘ve had this issue before when I was looking for a Suunto Ambit and then for a Spartan: there are subtle differences, I perceived finding the right model as being somewhat painful to be honest (and I never bought an Ambit because of the Peak/Vertical/Sport „mess“ (my perception back then)). At least sapphire glass is now more or less standard but one still has to watch out for small things.
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@MKPotts Vertical is to a big part more expensive than Race, because MIP screens are more expensive than AMOLED.
Garmin’s pricing of making AMOLED devices more expensive is a pure marketing descision. Cost based pricing would make them cheaper - as we see it with the Suunto Race.
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@v-sacre said in Reviews:
@Tieutieu Based on DC table about features contained for both models, Vertical won’t have:
- running estimate and HR run threshold
- sleep stages and naps
But I really don’t know on what assumption DC made this table…
Except a “marketing” decision, I also don’t know what hardware limitation would avoid to have this on the SV.
Except a licensing limitation. Or something else. It is always easy to draw conclusions without knowing the behind-the-scenes…
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@v-sacre said in Reviews:
@Tieutieu Based on DC table about features contained for both models, Vertical won’t have:
- running estimate and HR run threshold
- sleep stages and naps
But I really don’t know on what assumption DC made this table…
Except a “marketing” decision, I also don’t know what hardware limitation would avoid to have this on the SV.
Except a licensing limitation. Or something else. It is always easy to draw conclusions without knowing the behind-the-scenes…
Of course, you’re right. Let’s say it’s my « hopes » !
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@Egika Correct, it’s all just speculation.
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@v-sacre said in Reviews:
@Tieutieu Based on DC table about features contained for both models, Vertical won’t have:
- running estimate and HR run threshold
- sleep stages and naps
But I really don’t know on what assumption DC made this table…
Except a “marketing” decision, I also don’t know what hardware limitation would avoid to have this on the SV.
Except a licensing limitation. Or something else. It is always easy to draw conclusions without knowing the behind-the-scenes…
Yes, it is not necessarily the marketing‘s „fault“. But licensing? On the most expensive model? When they move away from FirstBeat algorithms? When the SV and the SR are part of the same technical platform? Don‘t get me wrong, it is good that you pointed out that „we don‘t know“, but it looks like an odd and arbitrary decision to me.
