Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@tomasbartko yes, every day. I also have approx. 1 hour of deep sleep more than I used to have with previous algorithm.

[Likarnik]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel same for me, I can regenerate as fast as a wolverine!

[Michał Kasprzyk]

Ok, one question within this thread - how it can be that suunto race vs vertical sleep tracking is so vastly different? I used race for a while, but i prefer MIP screen, so switched to vertical and im super happy with the watch… but not with sleep tracking.
For me it detects no sleep phases (only deep sleep / awake time) + always i have 100% recovery even if i slept for 6hrs and feel really bad.

Also, are suunto devs aware of it and keen on fixing it? Sleep time (start/stop) are perfect, but also having at least any sleep insights would be good - especially due to fact that they have this on race, so im super surprised that on vertical they’re not available…

[Jeffrey Tillack]

@Michał-Kasprzyk my Suunto 9 Baro nails my sleep every night, whereas my Apple Watch Ultra is genuinely terrible! For $1400 Australian I expected so much more from Apple. Wish I’d gone with the Vertical now

[Egika]

@Michał-Kasprzyk said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

Ok, one question within this thread - how it can be that suunto race vs vertical sleep tracking is so vastly different? I used race for a while, but i prefer MIP screen, so switched to vertical and im super happy with the watch… but not with sleep tracking.
For me it detects no sleep phases (only deep sleep / awake time) + always i have 100% recovery even if i slept for 6hrs and feel really bad.

Also, are suunto devs aware of it and keen on fixing it? Sleep time (start/stop) are perfect, but also having at least any sleep insights would be good - especially due to fact that they have this on race, so im super surprised that on vertical they’re not available…

Suunto Race and Vertical use different algorithms for sleep tracking.
Both are different from the Firstbeat metrics that were in Suunto watches before.
Now Vertical and S9PP are the first watches that make use of a fully in house developed sleep tracking.
And yes, the work to improve the sleep tracking is going.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Egika said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

Suunto Race and Vertical use different algorithms for sleep tracking.

This sounds like a strange business decision. Go for another 3rd party algorithm while developing a universal algorithm in house.

[Michał Kasprzyk]

@Egika yeah, that’s the reason im sticking with vertical - i don’t need deep sleep analysis anyway and apart from that the watch is GREAT.
And i prefer MIP display way more over AMOLED (well, im an old-school guy it seems), and with most recent update to vertical with widgets and performance it’s super fulfilling all my needs.
So im also keen on looking into sleep updates of the algorithm to be at least comparable to race, as this is the only painful point for me so far (and definitely not a dealbreaker of changing vertical to race for me, but if someone’s focused on sleep tracking then yeah - race was much better IMO in this area).
Also, on vertical the ‘morning report’ is kinda useless as it has maybe 20% of data of what race have had (or maybe it’s just a me problem, but still).
Thanks for the comment tho.

[Egika]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel there sure is reasoning behind this, no doubt.
Anyway - it is like it is. I tried to explain the difference. No way I am able to explain Suunto’s business decisions, you might understand.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Egika sure, I don’t blame you, it just seems weird, especially for people who own two different devices.

[Mff73]

@Łukasz-Szmigiel
https://forum.suunto.com/post/131343

[RaDeck]

@tomasbartko
I can report the EXACT same behavior! My sleep tracking was pretty good prior to update but now it needs 2-3 hours to actually recognize I’m sleeping, which result in 4-5 hours nights… short, very short… and very inaccurate… yet the scoring is way better then it used to when my tracking was on spot (again this scoring is now completely ‘off’ as it gives me scores of 90% for 4hrs15 of sleep). Furthermore, in these hours the recovery is ‘speedy’ to say the least! My resources are way higher than they used to be with way less sleep.
Long story short: we can see the importance of a a well balanced algorithm; definitely not the case on the PP9 at the moment! On the plus side we get the HRV, I’ll monitor HRV data and disregard the sleep track for the time being.

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@Mff73 thanks, makes sense.

[Swaddy61]

I find the Sleep Tracking on my SV isn’t ‘exactly’ correct, but overall gives an impression of how I slept. i.e. a bad night tends to have less sleep hours, and a good night more, but the actual figure shown tends to be different to how many hours I know I slept. If it needs to be exact to calculate other parameters (like Recovery) then perhaps that is an issue, but the other parameters seem to be an accurate reflection of how I feel, so…

Sleep Tracking was slightly worse on my Coros.

[AnonVerticalOwner]

I continued to test various theories, but to no avail. Sleep times, time awake, and wake up times all continue to have sporadic 1-3h deviations. Avg. sleep has gone down from 6h+ to 4h-.

Sleep data genuinely got trashed by the update Now it appears various people in the S9PP update thread have started experiencing it too. Perhaps a “known issues” list would give everyone some reassurance.

Do we have any (un)official word from Suunto on this issue? (aside of this thread being tracked, that is)

[Iggge]

Tonight my Vertical did record 0h of sleep.
My new watch, Galaxy watch6 classic got 7h and 12 min of sleep…

[Brad_Olwin]

@Iggge This does not help us……help you. How is the watch set up?

[Brad_Olwin]

@Jeffrey-Tillack Sell the Ultra, but wait until Apple pauses sales. I got rid of mine. Love the smartwatch part but just not good enough for sport use. Should easily cover the cost of a Solar Vertical!

[Iggge]

@Brad_Olwin have answered that a little higher up. Have been testing some various HR and have everything on.
However, after the new update the watch have been spot-on

[DrSilverthorn]

I’m running 2.30.38. I typically wake several times during the night. I’ve noticed that the watch will track one or two segments of sleep per day only. It doesn’t track more than two segments of sleep per day. As an example, let’s say I had:

Day 1:
2200-2315
2315-
Day 2:
-0100
0115-0350
0400-0530

1002-2310
2314-
Day 3:
-0015
0030-0200
0205-0350
0400-0533

The watch might record:
Day 1: 2200-2315
Day 2: 0400-0530, 1002-2310
Day 3: 0205-0350

It never tracks more than one segment per day, per sleep session. I hope this is clear.

Edit: changed firmware to 2.30.38

[Brad_Olwin]

@DrSilverthorn This is old firmware, you should update to the newest firmware.