@JebClydeNC got it now. Thank you! And very nice work!

@Manuel-Extreme : I also keep my SV1 because I love it (best design ever to me !)…but also use the SRs. With latest update of SRs and the possibility to activate touchscreen during exercices, there is only « always on display » that misses (I mean, that’s a big advantage of mips screens for now concerning battery consumption ). the SRs screen is way more readable to me than SV1 mips, even in bright sun (so I guess the SV2/SR2)

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@aiv4r I don’t insist. Faith is faith.

@VoiGAS said in Are now all Suunto Watches made in China?: @zhangschmidt Dive computers I was wondering if it could be those. Defects/bugs there are an immediate red alert (or were, the last time I made it to Vantaa).

another 2 options Vertical buttons / military look / luminous inside vector watchface aesthetics minimal [image: 1770387927424-gemini_generated_image_2o3iug2o3iug2o3i.png] tank built [image: 1770391447607-gemini_generated_image_jm82fdjm82fdjm82.png]

@tuxbuster yeah, but trainings work different with Garmin and Suunto. In Suunto the one who delivers the Guide is responsible for the metrics displayed and their labels. Suunto could make it easier, possibly. Here you find a definition of the API uses by Suunto… WIthin Garmin the training objections are defined, not what is displayed on the watch…

Primarily useful for marketing departments.

@maszop the compass itself is quick on an Epix Pro - seen in the ABC widget. But painting the rotating map is choppy… I add one to the list: Giving me the last notification from the phone as soon as I’m in reach of Bluetooth again after a run without my phone.

@Tomas5 well, they better get going with some serious software updates then.

@safari I still use mine. It’s the oldest, has seen the most wear and tear, and is irreplaceable. It’s never been serviced, the battery is great, and it performs wonderfully in the pool. Next Monday, I’m sending my current Suunto Vertical for service for the second time (…) so Ambit is back in the game!

@raven I do. Finnish people getting paid to implement Finnish design meant something at least.

@Egika I thought the same, but I seen some year old activities in Italia. Also I didn’t manage to find the filter

All the Vertical, Race(s) and Ocean are great upgrades. Best in class GPS. But if you don’t mind the OLED and want the greatest, the most beautiful and ‘Made in Finland’ get the Ocean. I have the 3 in case you wonder why I suggest the Ocean (oh and if money is no prob since it’s more expensive)

Having tried the Ai running program from Garmin, I’m not a big fan. Changing runs overnight (from a tempo run to a rest day on one occasion and from an easy run to intervals on another - even though the same run had already been carried out that week) and during the course of a day was a little to much for me.

Design / looks Overall accuracy in things that matter for me (gps/ altitude / pace ) Ease of use Robustness of the watch What it stands for (the image of the brand , it brings up emotions with positive connotations) The app It has its flaws but I keep promoting it as a brand that I trust and value

@Ghost great answer clarifing what i was thinking. Thanks.

@BenjiBoy try This one: https://www.juwelen-binder.at/index.php/start-os/core-strap?srsltid=AfmBOoodLoG8ov-15UJmpKthVHTxORMXcZfiH5FDuEeZoJ67KQZmVgf-

Thanks @2b2bff , @TonyG for your sharing your experience! In my particular case, since swimming is just a complimentary activity and hence my swimming technique is rather poor, I didn’t had the elements to say if the hit or miss of style identification was my fault or not. So, first step: improve technique . Going back to the opening question: I understand there’s no reason for the Garmin Swim unless you’re specifically targeting to have the extra analysis that Suuntos may lack of. Or… look for an Ambit . And thanks @TonyG for the tip on having laps better captured: solid push + glide it goes. Cheers!