a trail a day (wishful thinking…) keeps the doctor away 😀
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So a quick update on the Wahoo after a couple of weeks using it. Let’s start with the good…

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• It looks great. Overall quality is good with gorilla glass and a ceramic bezel
• Nice comfortable strap and the watch fits snugly with the OHR sensor being almost flush to the watch
• Really light at 53g and you don’t even feel it when it’s on
• It has a lock button which I actually used - really useful
• Simple to use and very fast, no lag between screens or between the watch and the app
• UI/Elemnt app is great (I was using it on ios). Easy to use and navigate with everything you need and nothing you don’t. Syncs between the watch and app are immediate
• Navigation through the screens and data fields is excellent
• Bright and easy to read display, dare I say it better than my S9B

The not so good…

• Average pace is always off. Once GPS is locked in and you start it takes 1-2mins for the average pace to normalise which seems to throw everything off from the start
• Current pace is slow to respond to any increase/decrease in pace. Also fluctuates wildly on occasion which again throws off your average pace
• Elevation stops and starts, sometimes missing whole blocks of a climb before it kicks back in. Same for the Grade which would be awesome if it worked, but for whatever reason both are pretty hopeless 👎

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Here’s what the watch recorded

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This is what it should have been after Strava corrected it - that’s a 20% error over a pretty short distance. Not great at all 🙄

So my trusty S9B is once again back on the wrist. If Wahoo can iron out those issues by means of an update then in essence they have a great product. But until they do that the distance, time and elevation problems are not something I’m willing to put up with

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Staged Software Release 2.9.42 starting 29 Oct 2019 10am EST:

Typically Suunto releases updates every Q. Not every time but from my experience.
There is work done on the S9 I know this as a tester.

However, don’t take it as a promise that every Q an update should be out.

Q

Q is the 17th letter, might be every 17 working jours? = 17/5 = 4 week a month
Q might be Quarterly,

@filip_klinovsky in glad you got your problem solved!

@malcyway I agree! I would like to customize the data that is shown, not just the colour. Specifically: seeing sunrise/sunset times, hours till next sunrise/sunset, current HR, daily step count. And remove that stupid dual time!

@northeast_trekker Agreed, this has been communicated to Suunto quite a bit. I hope something will come of this, I would love to have the altitude graph be user zoomable, on routes as well as the displayed graph. Even better would be color coded for grade. we will see what happens but I doubt firmware changes will come to the Spartans.

@TELE-HO I will know from now on 🙂
I never did it before.

@tyresej4 thanks for clearing it up. I know I shoot against suunto from time to time but the bottom line was:
The garmin forum community lacks a lot of manners for a majority of posts, where here, people are very supportive and constructive.
I do not like garmin as a brand, but their watches appeal to my data-loving fiddle-around mindset. Also, I got very frustrated in races when my suunto watches crashed on me (not saying that is a general thing, just my experience).
People here in this forum deserve great products, some even post their own ideas and designs to support the brand. People at suunto either use that drive, or the company will be at a tipping point.

@sky-runner said in Why anyone would buy a Suunto at the moment? Or ever.:

@Brad_Olwin said in Why anyone would buy a Suunto at the moment? Or ever.:

The S9b is built for trail and ultra running! I have used mine for many races and countless trail runs. Without HR you will get 35+ h of battery life, close to your 40. In Endurance mode, where little is sacrificed you will get 50h with HR. Using a belt will get ~34h in Performance and 50h in Endurance mode.

I would never use an extended (Endurance or Ultra) battery mode in a race or in a long self-supported run. I don’t trust its reliability. I had serious issues when I tried to use Good/5-sec battery mode on A3P in a 100 miler in the past, which led to tons of frustration during the race, and I’d never ever repeat that mistake again. And I need more accurate distance during a race to estimate splits, remaining distance to aid stations, etc. Also Strava really dislikes FIT files produced by Endurance and Ultra modes.

Well, I have used both 5 sec fix on A3P for 100 mile races (actually 120 miles too) and the S9b on Endurance mode for self-supported and races (100miles). I have no issues or frustrations. I don’t really care that much about Strava and if you change to Race there are no issues. I always laminate or on my phone carry aid station splits for several finish times. For the races and events I do, it is impossible to estimate instant pace or use instant pace. The average pace and average between aid stations is useful and Endurance mode is fine for that.

And now that there are watches that deliver 60 hours in the best GPS mode, I think there is little reason to compromise by using Suunto’s extended battery modes.

I typically use Navigation so those estimates are best case scenarios. What is real battery life? How is Navigation dealt with on other brands? Suunto switches to 1s fix only while on Nav screen. With FusedTrack and my standard Navigation uses I can get 50h on Endurance mode, which is great. The tracks are nearly as good as 1s fix. I don’t need perfection.
Routes on SA are super and can be loaded to the watch offline while exercising. Great when I bail off trail and have bailout routes on the phone

Survey done 👍

@zhang965 said in S5+S9: Staged Software Release 2.10.18 starting 3 Dec 2019 10am EST:

angry management lesson

Gold.

@johann-fuehrer

It’s not my fault Cyberdyne (US) are late delivering their pre-orders. It’s like they’re preoccupied with something else.

Actually for me, S9 GPS is already very accurate. At its current firmware, the gps accuracy is very good to excellent. the OHR though is…ahem… Battery is acceptable for me.

Anyway, perfect watch for me is suunto hardware & polar metrics.

(V2 accuracy btw is also surprisingly very good…far cry from original V)

@NickK they do have Annie as a pro athlete and she’s about the most bad ass kettlebell thrower around. Not that I imagine she does very many “sets x reps” though…

@brad_olwin you mentioned:

“ what we need is to be able to activate a SuuntoPlus during an activity.”

Yes! Can we vote for this suggestion somewhere? Also it would be nice to select 2 suuntoplus screens.

You see the goal left (time) only if you have no activities planned, otherwise the planned activities are shown.

“Cut text” is a known issue due to translations

https://forum.suunto.com/topic/826/watch-text-cut-in-some-views/38

@fluca agree on that especially when you look at the issues with the Fenix7/Epix2/Instinct2 - saying that they have already had an update or two which have fixed a lot of the major issues.

@Audaxjoe said in On a market for a new watch:

@lohtse said in On a market for a new watch:

If you are UK I suspect due to the on going issues with regard to suunto and I do say I suspect because I have noticed a 25-40% drop in prices in past 3 months, you can pick up a very nice deal on Suunto watchs that come with 24months replacement/refund warrantee from https://uk.webuy.com/search?stext=suunto&inStock=1&view=list&inStockOnline=1

If the price drop is as I suspect(garmins have held their price so far on the site) it may show that retailers have no trust in Suunto and their future… THIS IS AN OPINION nothing more.

On Amazon the Fenix 5 Plus is 22% discounted the Suunto 9B 20% discounted. So I guess by your theory they have even less trust in Garmin 😂

On the site you have linked the Garmin is worth a bit more second hand but it’s RRP is also more so without looking at the figures they look quite similar for demand and supply.

I also said it was my opinion 😉

After several activities (cycling, walking, kayaking) downtown, riverside, countryside, in woods and on hills my result is that my Suunto watches are in the following ranking concerning the GPS accuracy:

Ambit 3 and Spartan Ultra at the same level S9 with GPS S9 with GPS+Galileo

For me there is no reason to upgrade from a Spartan Ultra or an Ambit 3.

@General_Witt said in How to understand the Barometer:

@zhang965 It keeps spinning, like it’s doing its things but i get no “ok” like message. How long does it take? Do the watch tell you when it’s done?

You are in automatic reference setting
For me it’s not working well.

In the first reference, you can set the current value of altitude, but for hPa I think there is no way

Turn on GLONASS support and will be happy for you ;-))
More GLONASS only a grouping of Chinese satellites BeiDou ))

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