Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak

[Tomas5]

@suzzlo is there somewhere exact meaning of waterproofing by suunto? By international standards 30m is suitable for shower only. But since this watch are usable for swimming this is not case for suunto. So what exactly 30m and 50m means by suunto ?

I am not advanced swimmer but i like to dive while snorkelling, usually not deeper than 2-3m but rarely maybe to 4m.

[isazi]

@tomas5 what I know is that reviewers swim with the S5P, often. Not me though.

[surfboomerang]

@tomas5 the 10m, 30m 100m etc. are in fact pressure measurements converted to water depths so people can relate a bit better.

The waterproofness is tested by pressure. 100m means the watch is capable of withstanding pressure of 10 bar without leaking. This can be 100m under water without speed, but if you add speed to the equation it can be a bit different.

For me as a windsurfer for example, I always go for 100m classification because of the chance of hitting the water at high speeds. No idea if 50m (or 5 bar) of pressure would also be suffice, but I’m not taking the chance because I have no exact pressure measurement of the the moments when the watch is hitting the water.

[suzzlo]

@tomas5 uhmmm you are right, in some web pages don’t recommend using 30m watches to swim… let’s see what is announcing exactly Suunto, when the watch is officially released

BR

[Tomas5]

@suzzlo i was looking on suunto website but i didn’t find any clarification what 30m or 50 or 100m means by them. I know the bars rating, but recomendations really can differ since other brands don’t recomend with this kind of watch to swim. But suunto is better in this as it allow to use watch rated 30m in water but i don’t know exactly how much of water it can handle. I am not afraid much with 50m rating for regular swim or diving jsut few meter. But with 30m i would really worry about watch.

[Theo Lakerveld]

Ray is quite positive about the new 5 Peak in his latest video review.
https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2022/01/suunto-interface-overview.html

[pavel.samokha]

@tomas5

Disclaimer, that’s not official answer, but from what I know:

We test all products according to a protocol based on the dive standard ISO 6425.
For non-Dive products we exclude a couple of procedures, like pressure cycling, but all in all, our tests are much harder on the devices than ISO 22810 (water resistant mark)
Based on unofficial descriptions that we have used internally, our water resistant to 30/50/100m means you can dive to that depth with the watch.

[MiniForklift]

@pavel-samokha said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

@tomas5

Disclaimer, that’s not official answer, but from what I know:

We test all products according to a protocol based on the dive standard ISO 6425.
For non-Dive products we exclude a couple of procedures, like pressure cycling, but all in all, our tests are much harder on the devices than ISO 22810 (water resistant mark)
Based on unofficial descriptions that we have used internally, our water resistant to 30/50/100m means you can dive to that depth with the watch.

Well that’s great to know, thanks. Usually if a watch is 30m water resistant you’re taking a risk even swimming with it

I listened to a podcast a while back where they were discussing dive watches, they were alluding to the fact that a dive watch with a 100m or 200m rating isn’t going to fault so much due to the depth, it’s more the pressure that’s the limiting factor. There’s also different strains being placed on your watch at those levels depending on how (and how much) you are moving your arms around

Was really interesting to hear them talking about pressure as I think everyone naturally associates WR with depth and depth alone

[suzzlo]

@pavel-samokha so basically, any swimming activity in pool and open water is covered. (Thanks for the info)

[Tomas5]

@pavel-samokha in that case 30m would be enough for me with great reserve. Good to know this. Thank you.

[Tomas5]

@miniforklift well, depth and pressure are tied together. You can calculate exact pressure in water at exact depth. In theory of course. In reallife there would be some slight changes but it will be negligible.

[vinay]

I have (had) an Ambit 2S, Spartan Sport, Ambit 3 Peak and a 5 (regular) and somehow I feel that the external GPS antenna should work better than one tucked away under the electronics, glass and a steel or alu bezel. Not sure how much it matters, but at least I don’t see how it could possibly be the other way around. Lower weight isn’t a selling point for me (though I am not into martial arts), better waterproof rating however gives some peace of mind. Not that I necessarily dive deeper than 30m, but from what I understand it usually also has to do with what you can do with the watch submerged. If you’re pool swimming, can you push the lap button? As for OHR, I’ve got dark skin and I’ve never used OHR that jived with what the chest sensor was telling. For lower intensities, to get a more holistic picture of your activities it still is nice to have. I don’t live at high altitude so the amount I’m climbing (typically as an interval/drill) as measured in the climb function of the 5 matters more to me than the absolute altitude I’m at. The compass on the other hand though, I think it really makes sense for a day to day tool. With the Ambit 2S I often just looked at the map, decided which direction to head into without actually planning a route. Without compass, you already need to have your route and/or waypoints.

Either way, it seems to have it’s place. For me the regular 5 is a pretty nice watch, for some others baro is essential, then others actually appreciate the lower profile of the 5 peak over the regular one. Good to see that there are choices.

[Egika]

@vinay said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

I have (had) an Ambit 2S, Spartan Sport, Ambit 3 Peak and a 5 (regular) and somehow I feel that the external GPS antenna should work better than one tucked away under the electronics, glass and a steel or alu bezel. Not sure how much it matters, but at least I don’t see how it could possibly be the other way around.

You are absolutely right - the external antenna is the best design reception wise. Now the integrated antenna is not hidden under metal or electronics - this is why there is a rather big black area around the screen. Plus the S5P got the new Sony chipset which is an improvement in signal processing.
Anyway, as you correctly stated, there is no need to upgrade from an existing S5 that is still in good shape (at least if you are not after a lighter model with better OHR).

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@vinay said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

(…) The compass on the other hand though, I think it really makes sense for a day to day tool. With the Ambit 2S I often just looked at the map, decided which direction to head into without actually planning a route. Without compass, you already need to have your route and/or waypoints.

This is the only thing that I really don’t understand - why the S5 line is lacking a compass. To have a watch with GPS navigation, routing, tight integration with SA, made by a company who likes to emphasize the importance of experience of outdoors. But there’s still no compass, which seems to be a simple and essential tool for navigation. Not to mention that it leads to absurdities in UX when using navigation.

It’s a nice watch that got a lifting, it’s lighter, feels fresh in terms of design but it’s still lacking that essential component. I don’t get it.

[northeast_trekker]

@łukasz-szmigiel I agree completely. Seems a little confusing when at the S5P announcement event in Spain they went so deep into the heritage of Suunto as the first mass produced compass company and yet S5P doesn’t have one. Even the spartan sport had one…

[Łukasz Szmigiel]

@northeast_trekker said in Suunto's newest watch is the 5 Peak:

@łukasz-szmigiel I agree completely. Seems a little confusing when at the S5P announcement event in Spain they went so deep into the heritage of Suunto as the first mass produced compass company and yet S5P doesn’t have one. Even the spartan sport had one…

Yes I got that too. Especially the part with the beginning of diving-related products inspired by a man who noticed that his compass was still functioning after being submerged in water. I even got downvoted for pointing it out in this thread

I mean - I find Suunto’s marketing done really, really well. It’s delicious in most cases. But it’s hard for me not to see such nuissance

[vinay]

@northeast_trekker Does the Spartan Sport have a compass? It was my first watch after the Ambit 2S and I was surprised to not find a compass as I just expected it there without actually checking up front. However, I recall checking the specs again and indeed I think it wasn’t mentioned. In a way though, from a technical/sales perspective it makes sense. Just like OHR and barometer, it takes another specific piece of hardware to be integrated on the board. Unlike software fixes, it actually costs money for every single product. And they chose the compass and barometer sensors would only be spec’d on the higher end watches. A marketing choice and as long as enough people are happy with a watch without those sensors, there is a place for the 5 the way it is.

One thing that would be nice is if there were a separate Bluetooth compass available, just like you can have other sensors or how the 3 even uses the GPS of the connected phone. So say you strap the compass to your SUP (paddleboard), you can still watch your heading on the watch without kneeling down (to read the compass) or hold your lower arm perpendicular to the board.

But back to the original confusion, it would indeed be easiest to understand if the “Peak” version of the 5 has baro and compass and the regular doesn’t. The way it seems now, it is actually the regular 5 which is the more robust product (considering the waterproof rating and the bezel protecting the screen) and the “Peak” version is for the more mellow everyday life.

[Tomas5]

I must agree that compass is missing in current S5 and new S5P. Navigation would work much better with compas.

[ChrisA]

S5 Peak arrived today

It’s amazingly light and I can confirm what @Brad_Olwin already said, that the display is brighter than that of the S5 (non Peak)

[Egika]

@chrisa Beautiful!
Now go and get some dots over the letters of the days