Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9

freeheeler

@wmichi
depending what type you are and if you want more items with very similar functions… then you could keep both and use S9P for “casual”, which might be a bit overkill, and you could use S9B for sports.

I learned for myself that I only want one watch, even I think sometimes it would be nice to have several watches, I think for me personally it is cumbersome and exaggerated.
I think I would use both for couple of weeks and see which watch I like better and then get rid of the other one

I would like to see a bigger version of S9P as a potential successor of my X-Alps some time in the future… hopefully not too soon. I think the clicks wouldn’t bother me. I tried them in a shop recently. But the tiny buttons would definitely bother me, since I really want to operate my watch with gloves!

I remember that it was one of the selling points of the Vector… don’t know why this should have changed, unless the customer they’re targeting have changed

Egika

@wmichi I think the same about the buttons of the S9P. Difficult to operate with gloves. I put this into all surveys
For me the S9P has become my daily driver also mainly because it has such a good wrist HR measurement.
I still cannot get rid of my S9B Ambassador Edition. It’s like a collectible…

wmichi

@freeheeler Yes, it’s absolutely exaggerated and pure luxury. I think I was the target audience for something in between those two watches. Something you have called S9PXL multiple times in the forum

isazi

@freeheeler said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

I learned for myself that I only want one watch, even I think sometimes it would be nice to have several watches, I think for me personally it is cumbersome and exaggerated.

I am also a 1 watch person. S9P is my main driver, the watch I use for sports and that I wear during the day to check time. All the others are for testing.

In the past I tried to have more than one watch (S7 + S9B) but it did not work for me.

Egika

@wmichi what exaclty would differentiate the S9PXL from the S9B?
Just OTA updates and SpO2 would not make a big difference in day to day use.
I can just think of improved OHR otherwise.
What would make S9PXL different?

DMytro

@egika a lot different things, in my opinion. Bigger battery, thinner bezel, maps, bigger storage (e.g. for maps and/or music), dual frequency gps chip. All this while maintaining the design language and keeping the watch body at the same thickness. One can argue that it will no longer be S9p XL, but S9 gen 2 or something - but so be it then:)

wmichi

@egika If I was Suunto, I would build something like that:

Similar design language as S9P
But with bigger, less noisy buttons
Same diameter as S9B, but lower height. This would make the watch larger, but less bulky (less movement -> better OHR). If possible (antenna design), smaller black bezels around the display would be a nice touch
Better vibrations and louder alarms (customizable per sport mode)
A faster processor. Stability can not be an excuse for a sluggish UX
All the rest the same as S9P

So regarding the hardware, basically a larger display and better performance. Of course a better battery is always nice, too. Regarding GPS I am very happy with the S9P. Do the latest S9B Titanium (blue and charcoal) have the same GPS chipset as the S9P?

OTA is standard nowadays, so it should be included (and I am pretty sure it will be in all future Suunto watches). I agree, SpO2 does not really make difference. In my opinion it is even completely useless for most people. But Suunto could add blood sugar and blood pressure measurement (of course on a medical level). That might be interesting for some people

Egika

@dmytro ok, got it now. This would indeed be “design your preferred Suunto model out of what is out there”

DMytro

@egika haha, exactly! Like current suunto customiser but more in depth.

freeheeler

@egika
position of the baro holes… I frequently need to be cautious to not block the holes on my S9B.

MiniForklift

@freeheeler said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

position of the baro holes… I frequently need to be cautious to not block the holes on my S9B.

I wonder about that too whenever I wear long sleeves as I like my watch sitting pretty tight on the wrist

Egika

@freeheeler baro holes - it seems to be difficult with every position:
Ambit hat them underneath afaik
S9B on the left: issues with clothes or wind for left handers
S9P on the bottom: issues with rain or snow falling on it, because holes pointing skywards during arm swing.

It’s not easy and some data processing needs to be applied in AL cases…

lexterm77

@egika

You can have two baro sensors at different place to cancel the noise of the other.

isazi

@lexterm77 first of all, you’ll need to put another sensor there, doubling the cost of that component, and the space it takes. Second, two sensors would be for fault tolerance if one suddenly drops dead, but it is no help for different behavior. You would need at least three to have a tiebreaker in case two sensors show different results.

lexterm77

@isazi

Cost of machining titanium outweights the cost of baro . My S9B lost its baro accuracy over the years, when I calibrate my altitude baro is 6mbar off. X lander had calibration menu is there such thing on S9B hidden in fw?

freeheeler

@isazi
I would pay for 3 sensors right away. in an S9P XL there would even be space for it

here’s my todays skitouring of not even 900 vertical meters…

lexterm77

@freeheeler

Me to, I’d pay for titanium watch with 3 sensors and a wireless charger than you can snap a magnetic ring around a bezel for on wrist charging capability during activity

freeheeler

@freeheeler said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

here’s my todays skitouring of not even 900 vertical meters…

I must admit that this is my first ski touring with the new FW. I’ll check tomorrow on the next skitour again…
the graph itself looks solid, no suspicious “baro hole blocking spikes” as I know them from the past. Only a lot of ups and downs when zooming in…

freeheeler

@freeheeler said in Why I've shelved my Peak for a 9:

I’ll check tomorrow on the next skitour again…

no issue today with weird total ascent values… and now stopping highjacking this thread

isazi

@freeheeler if you find that there are issues with the new S9B ascent algorithm, feel free to create a new post in the right section.