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    Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager
    last edited by 21 May 2023, 13:15

    This is not an acceptable track from the vertical watch. I’ll help you as much as I can if it’s a hardware problem. Try another run.

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      GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Guest
      last edited by 21 May 2023, 15:25

      @twekkel suuntoapp-Running-2023-05-20T05-08-21Z-route.gpx

      Here is the track…and the GPS file

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        GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        last edited by 21 May 2023, 15:26

        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos here is the fox track record with my watch suuntoapp-Running-2023-05-20T05-08-21Z-route.gpx

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          GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Brad_Olwin
          last edited by 21 May 2023, 15:27

          @Brad_Olwin Shure it was performance mode where can I see if I had perhaps the wrong mode?

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            GiPFELKiND Silver Members @altcmd
            last edited by 21 May 2023, 15:32

            @altcmd no was definitely performance mode, the thing is the first part from my run was all okay… I sent new pictures so you can look for. Right map is all okay in the woods left side so bad…Screenshot_2023-05-21-17-30-41-195_com.stt.android.suunto.jpg

            If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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              A Former User @GiPFELKiND
              last edited by 21 May 2023, 15:47

              @GiPFELKiND thanks. This is the ‘GPX route’ version, without timestamps. Can you share the ‘GPX workout’ too?

              What I see (without timestamps) is large gaps between gps lat/lon fixes. Reason, very, very poor reception (under trees?) or very high speed, or bug, or hardware issue. Maybe the ‘workout’ link helps diagnosing the issue it a little better.

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                GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Guest
                last edited by 21 May 2023, 16:05

                @twekkel Workout comes --> here 😀suuntoapp-Running-2023-05-20T05-08-21Z-track.gpx

                If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                  A Former User @GiPFELKiND
                  last edited by 21 May 2023, 16:55

                  @GiPFELKiND this helps a lot. For most of the time I see a recording every 1 second, but there are some gaps… without recording timestamp or location.

                  Activity was about 56 minutes and moving time was 10min less, 46 min. So my guess is ‘autopause’ is enabled, which will stop recording at very low speeds (<2 km/hour) and once you move again it will pick up again. I can imagine that every (near) stop temporary the GPS fix isn’t that good (power saving?), which explains the poor track. For MTB in dense forests I would definitely recommend to disable autopause.

                  Does this make sense to you?

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                    GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Guest
                    last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:01

                    @twekkel So, I’ve now looked again in the settings, and autopause is disabled. what program/software did you use to read the data so well?!

                    If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                      A Former User @GiPFELKiND
                      last edited by A Former User 21 May 2023, 17:15

                      @GiPFELKiND as a complete linux nerd, I used vi/bash/grep/sed/awk/gpsbabel … gpx files are just text files (and you can use any text editor), so you can lookup the timestamps and check if there are 60 for each minutes and there aren’t.

                      Take for example minute 05:53:xx … only 20 timestamps (and track location lat/lon) are written for that minute. I assumed that would be because of autopause. Hardware failure looks unlikely to me, but something prevents the SV to write every second like it should in ‘performance’ mode.

                      In low battery conditions I’ve seen tracks starting of with 1s recordings and then switching over to every 1 minutes (endurance). That is not the case here.

                      Not sure if very dense forest (GPS fix lost?) can cause this kind of behavior. First half of the track seems spot on, only halfway it shows this phenomena.

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                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
                        last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:19

                        @twekkel keep in mind that gps recording is not the same as polling of 1s. That means that even if the 1s frequency is used it does not mean that it will record every 1second if on second xx the quality of the signal is not acceptable.

                        Also keep in mind that gpx files are xml files and it’s not so well structured for data.

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                          A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:25

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos if XML isn’t structured, what is? 🙂

                          Indeed a very poor GPS signal might have prevented to write accurate lat/lon. So for now I “blame it on the forest”.

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                            GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Guest
                            last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:56

                            @twekkel

                            If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                              GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Guest
                              last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:57

                              @twekkel look there the beginning with good tracking is in the woods… The rest when terrible tracking open field without trees

                              If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                                GiPFELKiND Silver Members @GiPFELKiND
                                last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:57

                                @GiPFELKiND Screenshot_2023-05-21-19-54-34-574_com.stt.android.suunto.jpg Screenshot_2023-05-21-19-54-42-917_com.stt.android.suunto.jpg

                                If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                                  GiPFELKiND Silver Members @GiPFELKiND
                                  last edited by 21 May 2023, 17:58

                                  @GiPFELKiND any questions!? 😭😭😭😭😭

                                  If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                                    A Former User @GiPFELKiND
                                    last edited by 21 May 2023, 18:13

                                    @GiPFELKiND if this was a one time bad track, I wouldn’t worry about it. It can happen, although this particular example is pretty bad with so much open field.

                                    Even with the best GPS watch out there, SV, it isn’t always perfect. If this issue persists with other activities also, I would go or a warranty claim. Upcoming firmware update (June?) might also improve the situation.

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                                      freeheeler @GiPFELKiND
                                      last edited by 21 May 2023, 18:31

                                      @GiPFELKiND
                                      it would indeed be interesting to see if you can replicate this with another activity in case you have some spare time to do something similar now/soon.
                                      I haven’t seen this kind of tracks in any watch.

                                      living sideways

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                                        GiPFELKiND Silver Members @Guest
                                        last edited by GiPFELKiND 21 May 2023, 19:34

                                        @twekkel Screenshot_2023-05-21-21-28-06-493_com.vecturagames.android.app.gpxviewer.jpg

                                        Also I analyse my track with app. And see what mystery I see… When this lines come my speed is 30 km/h NEVER NEVER… is my hand shaking when i run the problem?!

                                        If it doesn't challenge you, it doesn't change you. #lifewithasthma #runwithasthma #nevergiveup #pushinglimits #adventurestartshere Suunto D9, 9 Baro, 9 Peak, Vertical Ti, Race , Race s Courtney, SA (Beta) Android🏃🏼🧗⛷️🚵

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                                          freeheeler @GiPFELKiND
                                          last edited by 21 May 2023, 19:46

                                          @GiPFELKiND
                                          this for sure is not arm movement.
                                          again: record another activity and if it is the same again -> logs.
                                          maybe it is a one time issue and never happens again. we will only know with more samples. until then all we can do is guessing

                                          living sideways

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