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    pmossy
    last edited by pmossy 7 Apr 2023, 18:32 4 Jul 2023, 18:31

    in turn-by-turn navigation, the turn-by-turn instructions come much too early. 100m, sometimes even 500m are much too early. Especially in competition I can not remember that. A short hint a few meters before the intersection would be helpful. Is this the way it should be?

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      Brad_Olwin Moderator @pmossy
      last edited by 4 Jul 2023, 18:40

      @pmossy I tested this two days ago on my Vertical and it was working as it should. I am likely on a different firmware than you are. I would try modifying the route a bit and re-upload the route to see if that helps.

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        MdzOtt
        last edited by 4 Jul 2023, 18:44

        The standard complain was that the instructions came too late (almost right at the turn). This might be an issue between running and cycling. I guess for running you want the instructions a few metres from the turn. But when cycling, you want them, at least, 100 m from the turn, maybe more. Possibly, this could (should) be speed sensitive?

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          pmossy
          last edited by 4 Jul 2023, 18:53

          I used exported maps from komoot, only for trailrunninng. i try it with the latest fw again, but what can i expect?

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            Thomas Hertz Bronze Member @pmossy
            last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 06:53

            @pmossy just want to confirm that i also have problems with the instructions. many times a turn-by-turn note comes for the corner after next even I didn’t get to the next corner. (lets say if they are 50m apart). that’s quite confusing if your watch tells you “LEFT” but you supposed to go right and then only on next corner left.
            you get the point… something I never struggled with on my garmin fenix. so not sure if they do it speed-sensitive and that might help.

            not a deal breaker, just wanted to confirm that I also have this problem. for me it’s trail running, routes creates directly via suunto app.

            best, thomas

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              Luis Andés Olmedo Bronze Member @Thomas Hertz
              last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 07:20

              I followed a route (trail running) last weekend and turn notifications came more or less 100m before the turn. I concur it can be sometimes too early.

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                Ivan De Rasis @Thomas Hertz
                last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 08:41

                @Thomas-Hertz stranamente anche a me su un percorso creato tramite SA molte volte mi diceva di svoltare dalla parte opposta del tracciato;

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                  altcmd Silver Members @Ivan De Rasis
                  last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 10:34

                  A turn notification 100m before a turn would make sense if you did not have a complex of 3 or more turns all within 100 meters. I have found this to be rather annoying when I have to make 3+ turns and the watch telling me to make 3+ turns even before I have made the first one meaning I have to try and remember them all. Ideally if the GPS is reliable it should be able to tell to make a turn at a junction as well.

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                    LitchiMonster Bronze Member @altcmd
                    last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 11:36

                    @altcmd Agreed, they need to add a navigation screen with names of upcoming turns/waypoints and distance away.

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                      altcmd Silver Members @LitchiMonster
                      last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 11:51

                      @LitchiMonster my suggestion would be to make the upcoming turn sticky (unless dismissed) at 20m mark, at least for running or hiking. Otherwise it might be pointless to have turn-by-turn and I end up getting more confused and have to disable it.

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                        aroo7 Bronze Member
                        last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 13:46

                        It seems to me that the second subplot is much more problematic. It seems to me that the second subplot is much more problematic. In my experience (running), the first instructions appears about 100m before a turn and that is OK. The second instructions most often occurs for me just before a turn. The problem is that it displays information about the next step. This is where the circuses occur because it is often conflicting information. Of course, it is signed as: “Next…” but realistically it looks like I run into an intersection and the watch displays an arrow to the right, when I should be turning left! This sucks!
                        Especially when you miss the earlier hint. Which isn’t hard to do, since you know what kind of vibrations Suunto watches have 😉
                        I hope we will eventually see improvements in this area.

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                          altcmd Silver Members @aroo7
                          last edited by 5 Jul 2023, 14:19

                          I think an easy comparison here is how Garmin does it which is how a typical sat nav works. With Garmin, even if a second turn comes immediately after the first and all within 100 meters, you only see the second turn notification after the first. It does not have to difficult if Suunto pays some attention to the logic flow of notifications here.

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                            altcmd Silver Members @altcmd
                            last edited by 6 Jul 2023, 10:50

                            Is there any plan on the horizon for Suunto to look in to this and streamline notification for turn-by-turn directions?

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                              mikekoski490 Bronze Member
                              last edited by 6 Jul 2023, 17:47

                              Im still trying to get a good handle on routing and turn by turn before a big 4-day backcountry hike coming up, and today made this simple map in SA. Question: I drew each section of the map exactly like another, but does anyone know why only the first 3 turns added directional arrows and gave me a heads up about the turns, but the rest of the map did not? After the last arrow turn a pop came up that just said something like ‘Next: END’ and I had no routing queues for the remainder.

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                                Egika Platinum Member @mikekoski490
                                last edited by Egika 7 Jul 2023, 07:17 7 Jul 2023, 05:17

                                @mikekoski490 yes. From the exact locations of the blue line it looks like you were in free line drawing mode. Turn by turn is generated only when using the routing along some roads or paths afaik.

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                                  Marco 4 @aroo7
                                  last edited by 27 Feb 2024, 14:18

                                  @aroo7 regarding the issue with tbt, I can confirm I have just the same behaviour, I contacted support about this already more than a year ago, they are simply unable/unwilling to do sth about this. I only got some idiot reply stating deleting and reinstalling suunto app, rebooting the watch, soft and hard reset , all without result. I simply switched to coros, they are simply the best. So to avoid being frustrated a simple switch does the thing. Kind regards.

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