Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?
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@6294946 - My point was more around that even apple watch whose OHR is sort of considered a gold standard - even they have issues, and even their watch OHR doesn’t work for everyone. There isn’t one OHR sensor that works well for everyone - its just a fact of life.
Per your statement - you really can’t consider apple like to like with fitness watches as the base market and requirements are completely different.
Assume there are 2m apple watch users its very liikely that 95% of that 2m wouldn’t even know if there HR sensor is working correctly for them or not (and more importantly don’t really care - they just care about closing their rings - so no no real care about HR and or tracking accuracy; its really the say 5% (plucking it out the air but could be right based on the apple watch users I know) that would be interested in OHR accuracy due to health and sport tracking and thus are more likely to complain.
The difference is that 95%-99% of fitness watch users are interested in how good their OHR is (1% is guys like ex pebble users who use garmin to get as close to their pebble exeperience as the can and other weird people who buy fitness watches for notification and long battery life). My point is you can’t compare apple base with fitness watch base. So its very likely that with the fitness watches you would have a much higher percentage of complaints than comparing total apple watch base - the trick is trying to compare to the apple watch base that actually cares about OHR. -
@Mff73 yeah. Been hearing that for a while already.
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@Likarnik December 2024?
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@Egika Any sense of when the next update will be dropped?
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@Brad_Olwin and @stromdiddily
Guides: perhaps a personal preference but the TP guide target numbers do not show a range but the average point. And if doing a HR interval that is a narrow cross between zones, it is sometimes hard to discern the range one wants to keep. Of course I can remember then but that defeats the purpose of a Suunto guide let alone the watch. Out of range beeps or vibration is also missing.If you set the TP guide as a range a range will show in the watch. I typically set mine for a zone and I get this. There is clearly a target range shown at the top of the screen and a target number shown below the screen., I clearly don’t understand your issue.
Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
Alarm, constant altimeter/compass calibrations, etc. but no point adding it on.
What is the alarm issue? If you want additional alarms there are changes coming…
I never calibrate my altimeter and I travel, I do not have issues with it. Will it be off if I do not calibrate? Yes! but not by much and as soon as I do an exercise it is calibrated by fusedAlti. Weather, I.e. pressure changes will affect the altimeter and this happens in every watch. I don’t calibrate.
Compass calibration is needed if the watch encounters a strong magnetic field. That includes the charger, magnets that hold the pockets on my pack, strong magnets that may hold gloves or other items together. Why is this a problem, it is physics and not much to do about it. Since my SV is charged only once every 2-3 weeks that is about as often as I have to calibrate the compass. Other than magnetic interference I do not have to calibrate the compass. I use routes and often do route finding.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
Compass calibration is needed if the watch encounters a strong magnetic field. That includes the charger, magnets that hold the pockets on my pack, strong magnets that may hold gloves or other items together. Why is this a problem, it is physics and not much to do about it. Since my SV is charged only once every 2-3 weeks that is about as often as I have to calibrate the compass. Other than magnetic interference I do not have to calibrate the compass. I use routes and often do route finding.
true, but with SV, at least mine (but readind the forum, i am not alone), I have never been asked so often with any Suunto watch to calibrate this compass.
It is a strange calibration : so short “8” movements do the trick that we can ever doubt it is really doing a calibration. And so often prompted that it is strange that so many magnetic influences could be there.
It may again be something that just few of users encountered, and in this case, it is a bug that needs to be adressed, because it might reveals something more “hardware” than just “software”.
Question : is there any open investigation topic at Suunto for SV “compass calibration” ?
PS : while writting, i am entering map screen on my SV, just to see : and i am just prompted to calibrate. And i am just waking up.
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@Mff73 I used to have to calibrate my coros vertix 2 every time I used the compass. I just thought it was regular.
Past Suuntos: X-Lander/Observer/T6/X9/X10/X6HR/CORES/Ambits/Spartan/9P/9PP Ti/Vertical Ti
Current: Suunto Race Ti
Past other GPS watches: Polar Vantage V; Garmin 6X Pro Solar; Coros Vertix 2
Suunto App running on Google Pixel 8/Android 14
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@mikekoski490
maybe, maybe not, I personnaly really don’t know.
Understanding the theory of magnet influence, but also noticing that, with previous Suunto watches this calibration seemed to remain quite long, comes the legitim question : why not in SV ? -
@Mff73 Let’s hope it’s improved in the next update.
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@jedi2354 for sleep you’re probs better off with a Polar of some kind - they do sleep and recovery extremely well I’ve read and they look really nice. I find my Garmin 245 actually does the sleep times pretty well usually. too But despite having several Garmins and Suunto’s (I had a Coros but sold it, and an early Polar - loved it but it was outdated nowadays) I just prefer the build quality of my Suunto’s, and they get the job done in the end.
I do look at body battery/resources etc but usually I know how I feel and whether or not today will be a good day or a so-so one. I did find when I had Covid that my Garmin tracked it really well, being able to see my body’s stress and my subsequent dive in body battery. Tracked it really well from initial symptoms through to recovery.
So in the end it’s all swings and roundabouts as we say in Australia.
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@isazi noooooo
@Jeffrey-Tillack I can thank my S9P to get my covid pass in my country (you could either vaccinate or test positive in last 3months IIRC to even fuel a car). My resources were low, they did not get up during sleep because my avg HR was almost 15beats higher than normal. Got tested positive, after 4days my HR was back to normal and I was training again and free to fuel my car
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@Brad_Olwin You probably don’t understand despite me trying a few times. If you have used a Garmin or Polar then you would. Have a look here on how Polar does: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8qRInq_yL0 and I presume you already know Garmin since you have said it so many times that you used an Epix.
And if you read carefully the text I wrote, I talk about targets that are a cross between zones, which sometimes are in 80-20 sessions. It is damn difficult to know from just a pointer and if there is an average number like in your photo so 193, so that 193 could imply a range of 192-194 or even 170-216. Ofcourse one can remember them, but again, like I already said before, that defeats the purpose of a watch like Suunto.
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@Jamie-BG You’re not plucking it out of the air, but rather out of your ass.
I like Suunto, but you can’t compare their OHR to Apple.
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@mikekoski490 interesting as for the 6-8 months I flirted with Garmins, I did not really have to recalibrate the compass / altimeter as many times I have to do on the SV. I would not touch a Garmin these days but just a counter-point.
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@altcmd as far as I know, next firmware should fix this. Calibration will still be required if installing a new firmware or getting in contact with a magnet, but it will not ask you to calibrate the compass during every activity.
Watch: Suunto Vertical Ti
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@isazi appreciate it! As a feedback and similar to what @mikekoski490 has voiced as well, it would be great from an engagement and trust point of view if Suunto were a bit more open about upcoming SW releases and cycles.
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@isazi appreciate it! As a feedback and similar to what @mikekoski490 has voiced as well, it would be great from an engagement and trust point of view if Suunto were a bit more open about upcoming SW releases and cycles.
I’m sure Coros, Polar and Garmin would love that also
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@altcmd said in Is the Vertical as sub-standard as it seems?:
@isazi appreciate it! As a feedback and similar to what @mikekoski490 has voiced as well, it would be great from an engagement and trust point of view if Suunto were a bit more open about upcoming SW releases and cycles.
has been discussed and explained before.
The development process of HW and SW holds many uncertainties. Suunto had communicated planned SW releases in the beginning with the Spartan. They found they loose more trust and engagement if they cannot fulfil all communicated changes within the planned timeframe.So we have those update cycles with the alternating feature and bugfixing releases.
The next one will be a big one addressing both
