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    General_Witt @elliott
    last edited by General_Witt 27 Oct 2023, 11:54

    @elliott First 2 days with the Race. The “lag” is a completely made up issue. The only noticeable lag is when you frantically move from one widget to another. People are used to move their finger fast on the menus of their phone (sometimes without a purpose) so they expect to do the same on a smartwatch. The Race is responsive enough for a typical sport scenario.

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      logger Bronze Member @elliott
      last edited by 27 Oct 2023, 12:57

      @Elliott That’s a great comparison—who cares about a minuscule lag when navigating through menus when the map rotation is so smooth? That Garmin map user experience would drive me bananas when out running, on the other hand…

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        sir_max Bronze Member @General_Witt
        last edited by 27 Oct 2023, 14:44

        @General_Witt totally agree, it’s not that noticeable and for runs etc, perfect. Loving the (steel) watch!

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          Tieutieu Platinum Member @elliott
          last edited by Tieutieu 27 Oct 2023, 14:48

          @elliott said in Reviews:

          Agreed. As long as it’s fast where it counts. When I watch this comparison with the Race, all I see is the ‘lags’ on the Garmin map when rotating:

          https://youtube.com/shorts/T245DN1OlG4?si=S_MTISPsnnDEMP3F

          I propose that we shall send this link every time someone talks about “suunto’s lags” ! 😁

          (Or this one : Vertical maps VS Epix 2 pro
          Or this one at 3’17 Vertical maps vs epix 2)

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            Tieutieu Platinum Member
            last edited by 6 Nov 2023, 10:50

            New review out (in French) .

            test de Jérôme, montre cardio gps

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              taziden Gold Members @Tieutieu
              last edited by 6 Nov 2023, 10:57

              @Tieutieu said in Reviews:

              New review out (in French) .

              test de Jérôme, montre cardio gps

              He says that during an activity, switching screens is not possible using the touch display as is the case for the S9P or S9PP for instance. Is that right?
              Only through pushing the crown.

              S9PP

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                Tieutieu Platinum Member @taziden
                last edited by Tieutieu 11 Jun 2023, 11:03 6 Nov 2023, 11:02

                @taziden said in Reviews:

                @Tieutieu said in Reviews:

                New review out (in French) .

                test de Jérôme, montre cardio gps

                He says that during an activity, switching screens is not possible using the touch display as is the case for the S9P or S9PP for instance. Is that right?
                Only through pushing the crown.

                As far as I now there is no custom battery mode in the Race for now, so probably the touch screen can’t be activated. But I remember reading on the forum that It should come.
                Maybe race users or testers can confirm ?

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                  Tieutieu Platinum Member @taziden
                  last edited by Tieutieu 11 Jun 2023, 11:03 6 Nov 2023, 11:02

                  Oups duplicated post

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                    Egika Platinum Member @Tieutieu
                    last edited by 6 Nov 2023, 13:20

                    @Tieutieu can confirm that a user defined touch (through custom battery mode) during exercise is not available in Race. Cannot confirm that it will come.
                    Would like to see this as well (or probably rotating the crown to move through the screens forward and backwards…

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                      taziden Gold Members @Egika
                      last edited by 6 Nov 2023, 13:22

                      @Egika said in Reviews:

                      @Tieutieu can confirm that a user defined touch (through custom battery mode) during exercise is not available in Race. Cannot confirm that it will come.
                      Would like to see this as well (or probably rotating the crown to move through the screens forward and backwards…

                      Yes, if touch screen is disabled, being able to rotate through the screens using the crown seems like a must have (for me at least).
                      I quite got used to enable and use the touchscreen in all my sport modes.

                      S9PP

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                        Patrick Löffler 0 Bronze Member
                        last edited by 6 Nov 2023, 19:06

                        One more: https://youtu.be/jATciL6rPvk?si=qD6Ci8d6uDOtJjD-

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                          sir_max Bronze Member
                          last edited by 7 Nov 2023, 20:33

                          Just read DC rainmaker’s review of the polar and in the comments he mentioned his race review will be out tomorrow or day after 🙏

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                            surfratt @sir_max
                            last edited by 7 Nov 2023, 23:34

                            @sir_max
                            Yep, I asked when he was doing his Race review. He responded tomorrow afternoon his time, or Thursday. Fingers crossed it’s tomorrow. Sounds like, from reading the V3 review, that the race gps is better than the V3, but the optical HR is bad during workouts. Worse than Garmin, Polar…

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                              SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @surfratt
                              last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 06:03

                              @surfratt said in Reviews:

                              Sounds like, from reading the V3 review, that the race gps is better than the V3, but the optical HR is bad during workouts. Worse than Garmin, Polar…
                              Why should the test be different from the further tests? The gps was tested very good also for SV. The OHR was tested not so good also for SV. As far as I can read it‘s the the same sensor and gps modul for SV and SR? I don‘t think OHR can get much better with a software update 🤣 and as far as I know, the tester stays the same, I think 🤔

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                                lessthanmore Bronze Member @SuperFlo75
                                last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 15:38

                                @SuperFlo75 For GPS the antenna design is very important and different between SR and SV. The GPS accuracy of the SV is slightly better than the one from the SR.
                                The OHR is the same. However, as the hardware design is different (and the weight) the sensor will work also differently.

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                                  mikekoski490 Bronze Member @lessthanmore
                                  last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 16:27

                                  @lessthanmore said in Reviews:

                                  @SuperFlo75 GPS antenna design…is different between SR and SV. The GPS accuracy of the SV is slightly better than the one from the SR.

                                  Curious where this is documented? Thanks!

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                                    lessthanmore Bronze Member @mikekoski490
                                    last edited by lessthanmore 11 Aug 2023, 16:52 8 Nov 2023, 16:41

                                    @mikekoski490 Here’s the scientific stuff with formulas and magic: https://hexagondownloads.blob.core.windows.net/public/Novatel/assets/Documents/Papers/effectofantenna/effectofantenna.pdf

                                    https://gge.ext.unb.ca/Resources/gpsworld.february09.pdf

                                    You could also read Ray’s review of the new Polar watch:

                                    “Now, what’s more notable here is Polar’s changing of their antenna design. Most of these companies are actually using the same GPS chipset in their watches, yet their performance is significantly different. Take Garmin vs COROS for example. Both have used the exact same chipset in their multi-band watches, yet Garmin’s GPS performance in those dual-frequency watches is universally agreed upon by reviewers as superior. Similarly, when Polar launched their Ignite 3 a year ago with multi-band/dual-frequency), it didn’t do well at all GPS-wise.
                                    Why? Antenna design.
                                    It’s incredibly critical to good GPS reception, particularly in challenging environments. In a recent conversation with another watchmaker, Suunto, they talked about how fractions of a millimeter made the difference between incredible performance and unacceptable performance. Of course, companies can’t just copy/paste this from Garmin (and even Garmin can’t copy/paste to themselves), because each watch case/bezel/materials design is different – and all of that impacts accuracy.”

                                    Discussion from the “other side”: https://forums.garmin.com/outdoor-recreation/outdoor-recreation/f/fenix-5-series/128225/antenna-design---fenix-5-5s-vs-5x-vs-chronos-vs-fenix-3#pifragment-1292=1

                                    /edit: Oh, I just saw you only quoted the part with SR vs SV. I don’t know if there’s documentation of it. But it was mentioned here in the forum that the firmware is different: https://forum.suunto.com/post/130076

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                                      wmichi
                                      last edited by 8 Nov 2023, 17:59

                                      Not a review, just first initial thoughts.

                                      https://youtu.be/bVQSeA_Hp04?si=sf8YyGgOEcV18T_q

                                      Very positive.

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                                        Egika Platinum Member @lessthanmore
                                        last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 08:01

                                        @lessthanmore said in Reviews:

                                        You could also read Ray’s review of the new Polar watch:

                                        *"Now, what’s more notable here is Polar’s changing of their antenna design. Most of these companies are actually using the same GPS chipset in their watches, yet their performance is significantly different.

                                        There is another “why” to this:
                                        While different companies are possibly using the same GPS chipset, at least Suunto is getting a dedicated FW for the GPS chips they are sourcing from the manufacturer.

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                                          tuxella Bronze Member
                                          last edited by 9 Nov 2023, 08:28

                                          Not a review either, but an interesting interview (in French) with someone working at Suunto from a knowledgable reviewer: https://www.nakan.ch/wp/2023/11/08/podcast-s01-e07-concevoir-une-montre-gps-de-sport-avec-kevin-croq-de-suunto/

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