Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update

[Stefan Kersting]

if you want an evaluation of how good sleep tracking works I think you have to compare the watch tracking when sleeping in a sleeping lab. Even if we are sleeping we are moving a lot. Sometimes more, sometimes less. Some times we register at we have moved a lot, sometimes not. But the watch does so it would be interesting to compare the tracking of the watch with a camera recording of the sleep

[AnonVerticalOwner]

Just adding my voice to the mix. Sleep tracking lost all accuracy after the update here too. The last three days read 12h, 2:23h, and 1:19h, while it should’ve read something like 5:30h, 7h, and 5:30h. It’s not just slightly off and balancing out; it is very far off.

I love the UI/nav changes and the additional bits, but would also love to keep the basics

[Likarnik]

I find no difference in sleep times/awake times before/after update. Only thing I notice is high resources (before update, I was almost never above 90%, now it’s the opposite)

[Stefan Kersting]

@Likarnik same here. Sleep tracking works fine for me. And I see too that I have up to 100 % ressources in the morning. But I noticed that I am not stressed at all. Maybe the stress will be tracked when I had 14 days with HRV tracking?

[Likarnik]

@Stefan-Kersting I guess we are not stressed anymore because update is finally here

[Stefan Kersting]

@Likarnik haha that’s right

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

if you have sleep tracking problems, try to enable dnd just in case…

[wmichi]

@Stefan-Kersting I also have never seen that I am stressed on my SR. Only active/inactive and recovering in the night. But today I have a cold, my resting HR is higher, HRV dropped and my resources display “stressed”, since I got up. During the night resources went up much slower. Finally stressed again

I think resources work pretty reliable now, at least in my observations. Big improvement to FirstBeat. Just a view minor annoyances (for example resources reset when charging/putting off the watch), but not a big deal. That resources no longer rely on user input (resting hr) is also big improvement (no more faking).

[Mff73]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

if you have sleep tracking problems, try to enable dnd just in case…

i think i have sleep tracking issues (weird awake durations), and my dnd is automatically enabled during same sleep tracking range.
So at least for me, it seems not playing a role.

this night, i woke up and fall asleep few minutes later, but SV decided that it was my final wake up hour.

[A Former User]

Just adding to this discussion. My sleep tracking is good. Times seem to be correct, quality is higher than before the update (but approx. how I feel). Resources are almost 100%, but this is (I think) because they went up to 70% right after the upgrade and I am not able to deplete them to 0%. Each day I have 40-50% left so I assume that’s why. At least that’s my theory. HRV seems to be about the same as WHOOP. Everything except resources seems to be good here.

[Stefan Kersting]

@wmichi ok so the HRV seems to work as supposed to work. Don’t want to test it by myself now but I hope you are getting better soon! Wondering if you can see the stress level after a late lunch and som alcohol, this is obvioulsy somthing that increases stress I heard.

[Mff73]

@Stefan-Kersting
Let us test the alcohol contribution tonight

[Stefan Kersting]

@Mff73 part of beeing a beta-tester ?

[Tieutieu]

Maybe not the best thread to ask : I’m wondering about « 14 days hrv range calibration » (must be recorded among the past 60 days).
I’m not sleeping well last days (lot of work, partying unusually…). And days to come won’t be better.
First days of hrv since SV update give « low » values (32 average).
My question is : is hrv range set one time for all after those first 14 days, or is the range always evolving ?
Suunto’s hrv website talks about hrv day comparison with past 7 days, and that 14 mesures amont 60 days are needed for setting the range, but it is not clear if range will also evolved.
Sorry if it was discussed yet, didn’t manage to find answer to that question.

[Stefan Kersting]

@Tieutieu my understandig is that this is a “rolling” number over time. So I think in the long term the HRV will stabilize and it should not be a concern if you are in bade shape now

[Tieutieu]

@Stefan-Kersting ok thanks. Let’s see how it will move. It shouldn’t be hard to verify considering my really poor shape those days !

[pilleus]

@Tieutieu said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

First days of hrv since SV update give « low » values (32 average).

The absolute value is different for each person. Generally it will be high (100+) for young people and low (30-) for old people. But there are also young people with values about 40 and old people with values about 80.

If you follow the measurement and readings of your personal values you will receive an average over the time. This value is important for you. Becoming lower will show you too much effort in your training or an upcoming cold or something else.

The more consistent the values ​​are during the night, the lower the average will be in the morning. Large differences indicate a better condition of the heart, as the variability between individual beats is higher.

The measurement in the night is shown as an average in the morning, shown on the watch (Vertical and Race) and in SA. Regarding the values (still missing in SA) all over the night, there are great differences.

Here an example of an detailled measurement of the last night (it is working on any fitbit or WearOS watch) … it’s an outdated project of the Ludwig-Maximilian-University in Munich, in which I was involved as a test person.

[Dimitrios Kanellopoulos]

@pilleus Also to add this is not so correlated with how athletic you are.

Its more about how the sympathetic / parasympathetic system works (and which one more).

Additionally a sudden high value of hrv is suspicious if out of the blue and means that the parasympathetic system is trying to recover you , ie you broke a bone for example

[Patrick Löffler 0]

@tomasbartko Are you planning to keep your Whoop or will you rely on Suunto’s HRV and sleep tracking?

[pilleus]

@Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in Disappointing Sleep tracking after new update:

Its more about how the sympathetic / parasympathetic system works (and which one more).

Yes, this is the most important thing about HRV … fight or flight vs rest and digest …