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    Maps Update Rollout, December 2023

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    • Olaf GottschalkO Offline
      Olaf Gottschalk Bronze Member @pavel.samokha
      last edited by Olaf Gottschalk

      @pavel-samokha I just compare it to a Wahoo Bolt for example. Also not blazing fast, but much, much faster than the Race and it does not require the device to charge… And the map data is much bigger.

      Especially the limitation that you need the charging cable renders downloading maps using WiFi useless. It could as well be plugged into a computer at that point… 🤣

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      • pavel.samokhaP Offline
        pavel.samokha @Olaf Gottschalk
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        @Olaf-Gottschalk wahoo bolt is basically an Android phone, so it’s not fair comparison either.

        And yeah, maybe there should be a way to force update without charger, but still it’s not laptop requirement, but charger requirement - much more flexible in my view

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        • Olaf GottschalkO Offline
          Olaf Gottschalk Bronze Member @pavel.samokha
          last edited by Olaf Gottschalk

          @pavel-samokha I would consider it only “half flexible”, cause due to 7 days or more time on a charge, I rarely ever have that proprietary cable with me…

          And the worst part of all of this is: now I am charging my Race and it just shows “downloading map” - without ANY information on how long this will still take…or on what charge level it currently is.

          It simply is very, very bad UX. Sorry for all Suunto lovers, but this is like in the early 80s where PCs would not be able to say how long a copy action will still take…

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            Tieutieu Platinum Member @Olaf Gottschalk
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            @Olaf-Gottschalk sorry but this your point of vue. I don’t load maps every day, I don’t care how long it takes (maybe 15 minutes for a French region ?). And for sure no one loads maps everyday ! So I completely don’t mind to see how much time is remaining for the map to be loaded…
            But, still I understand it would be useful to have the information.
            The ux improvement I’d like to have in SA would be to select the areas to load directly on the whole map, instead of searching by names ; but the list by country is already very easy to use.

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              It’s great to see the map update, unfortunately it does not seem to resolve any (map) issues for me, even seems to be connected to the new issue, that the watch is now really really reacting incredibly slowly … and still does not show the map(s) properly.

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                SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @Olaf Gottschalk
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                @Olaf-Gottschalk said in Maps Update Rollout, December 2023:

                And the worst part of all of this is: now I am charging my Race and it just shows “downloading map” - without ANY information on how long this will still take…or on what charge level it currently is.

                You can see the progress in the SA, what’s wrong with this? It‘s a technical device, and nothing more! If you don‘t like the product and the brand, you can change it!

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                • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                  Brad_Olwin Moderator @Olaf Gottschalk
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                  @Olaf-Gottschalk The progress is shown so this is not an issue. If you look in the app on the phone in the map area and select downloaded maps it will show you the progress.
                  You can take the watch of the charger at any time and move to another location. As long as the WiFi has been added to the watch it will start downloading again. I go back and forth from home to work with ongoing downloads with no issues. Or take the watch out for exercise and come back to continue/finish the download. It is very robust and you do not have to wait for the download to finish to use the watch.

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                  • Olaf GottschalkO Offline
                    Olaf Gottschalk Bronze Member @Tieutieu
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                    @Tieutieu agreed that there are more important places for improvement.

                    E.g. the region selection which I dislike a lot.
                    Cause: I have absolutely no clue about for example the names of departments in France I travel to. This text based approach requires knowledge only locals have or a really intensive search with still a lot of possibilities to miss something.

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                      Oh, long gone
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                      where you were going to

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                        Egika Platinum Member @Olaf Gottschalk
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                        @Olaf-Gottschalk right. I’d like to see the search function to tell me in which map the small city of Lippstadt in Germany will be included. Right now you need to know where it is and then zoom around the maps regions to find it in one of them.

                        But hey, there’s enough memory. maybe I just download the whole Germany and am done.

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                          pavel.samokha @Olaf Gottschalk
                          last edited by pavel.samokha

                          @Olaf-Gottschalk said in Maps Update Rollout, December 2023:

                          Cause: I have absolutely no clue about for example the names of departments in France I travel to. This text based approach requires knowledge only locals have or a really intensive search with still a lot of possibilities to miss something.

                          It’s known issue and hopefully will be taken care of in the future

                          In the same time:

                          IF YOU HAVE ANY MAPS SUGGESTION PLEASE USE OTHER TOPICS OR CREATE A NEW ONE.
                          This one is about specific maps data update, not a place to put all maps-related requests

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                            Can I ask for clarification? Do I understand correctly that at zoom levels 1km and 2km, there will now be no contours and no paths making those zoom levels basically empty except for major roads? Or does this just mean the contours are still there, just further apart with less resolution?

                            Having no contours seems absurd to me in outdoor watch and I can’t test this because I need to make sure I don’t get this update if what I understand above is true. I rely o the maps in the mountains and I don’t understand what they’d be for without contours. Having contours at 200m and below is also quite useless as you get only only a detail with no context.

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                              Olaf Gottschalk Bronze Member @Egika
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                              @Egika said in Maps Update Rollout, December 2023:
                              .

                              But hey, there’s enough memory. maybe I just download the whole Germany and am done.

                              Yes. We got enough memory, but I fear I do not have enough time to get the maps on the watch… 😞

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                                SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @Egika
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                                @Egika said in Maps Update Rollout, December 2023:

                                @Olaf-Gottschalk right. I’d like to see the search function to tell me in which map the small city of Lippstadt in Germany will be included. Right now you need to know where it is and then zoom around the maps regions to find it in one of them.

                                But hey, there’s enough memory. maybe I just download the whole Germany and am done.

                                That‘s why you had geographic at school 😂😂😂

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                                  Egika Platinum Member @SuperFlo75
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                                  @SuperFlo75 maybe I did not listen well, just in that part of Germany the map tiles are not set according to the federal states. So please help me if Lippstadt is in
                                  Regierungsbezirk Arnsberg
                                  Regierungsbezirk Detmold
                                  Regierungsbezirk Düsseldorf
                                  Regierungsbezirk Köln
                                  Regierungsbezirk Münster

                                  (Actually I managed to find it by opening all of these and zooming into the maps…)

                                  If I lived there I’d probably know…

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                                    SuperFlo75 Silver Members Bronze Member @Egika
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                                    @Egika Ok, you are right! I don‘t know if Wikipedia is going right?
                                    https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lippstadt
                                    I never was there… but I think in Bavaria this is not better…

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                                      @SuperFlo75 I am living in Bavaria and no, I have never even considered thinking in terms of “Regierungsbezirke”. I have / had no idea how to work with that information other than opening the map, zooming in and hoping I find what I was looking for.

                                      I guess at Suunto they use some provider for maps - they categorize in these terms but no real human does. So this should not find its way to an end user interface.

                                      The best selection for any downloadable map is just: let the user select a region drawing on the map, figure out by software which map fractions need to be downloaded and do it…

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                                      • Dimitrios KanellopoulosD Offline
                                        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Olaf Gottschalk
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                                        @Olaf-Gottschalk We categorize on country regions etc. We show the nearby regions. Wiki can help

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                                          Topic is locked, please create new threads if you want to discuss somethings maps-related

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                                            UPD: Planet rollout is done

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