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    Redbeard_ranger
    last edited by 26 Dec 2023, 12:46

    I’m a long time Suunto Ambit 3 user and recently upgraded to the Race. So far it’s been amazing and no complaints. I live by the ocean and yesterday went to stand at the beach shore to manually calibrate the baro altimeter to 0m. After going home the altimeter read 106m as I live on the 8th floor. The next morning my altitude was 86m. I assume the change is from the change in barometric pressure. Today I went for a trail run with about 200m elevation and half way through the run I got the storm warning alert despite it being a beautiful, sunny cloud free day. I now have the storm icon stuck on the watch face and my altitude is reading -51m. I’m really not sure what’s going on and or what to do?

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      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Redbeard_ranger
      last edited by 26 Dec 2023, 14:35

      @Redbeard_ranger The storm alert responds to changes in pressure. Most of my storm alerts occur on sunny days as there is a large front moving in. Check the baro pressure for the time you were running, I suspect there was a quick drop in pressure.

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        Iceman1 @Tadas Linge
        last edited by 26 Dec 2023, 19:12

        @Tadas-Linge I have noticed the same with my Race. What bothers me is that I have understood that Altifuse goes back and correct the whole activity, but obviously it doesnt correct it If its “close enough”. This is how I have understood it to work, dont know If it really is working that way though 😄

        I wish altifuse would just correct the whole activity no matter how little the difference is. What could be the downside with that?

        Manually setting the elevation is fine when starting from home though 👍

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          Mff73 @Iceman1
          last edited by 26 Dec 2023, 20:00

          @Iceman1
          Correcting the altitude from which source?
          From GPS?
          Even if the difference is small?
          It would mean to use GPS altitude as a real good value, always, and everywhere.

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            Iceman1 @Mff73
            last edited by 27 Dec 2023, 14:16

            @Mff73 Thats just how I have understood it to work, from reading on this forum. I could absolutely be mistaken and it would be good If someone could clarify this for me.
            Does it not go back and correct the elevation from the beginning of the activity, when “calibrated”?

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              Mff73 @Iceman1
              last edited by 27 Dec 2023, 15:52

              @Iceman1
              Yes, it corrects from the beginning, but it needs to have sufficient difference to decide to fix a baro value. It is probably more complexe and explained somewhere, but if GPS signal is good enough AND difference between GPS altitude and baro one is more than x meters, then, there is a correction. GPS altitude is not perfect but roughly not dependent to weather changes, while baro changes are more precise, but subject to change with weather during an activity.
              Fused alti is this algo between all that.

              So 10/15m difference between start and end can just be the limit of the thresholds to trigger any fix.

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                Iceman1 @Mff73
                last edited by 27 Dec 2023, 16:13

                @Mff73 Thank you for explaining! So, If I set the elevation waaaay of before an activity, I will have a completely corrected elevation from the beginning? 🤔

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                  Mff73 @Iceman1
                  last edited by 27 Dec 2023, 18:50

                  @Iceman1
                  Yes, but still based on GPS altitude value, which still may be 10/15+m off.
                  Which lead to the same result than doing nothing and let the watch adjust if it can.

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                    Łukasz Szmigiel @Iceman1
                    last edited by 27 Dec 2023, 19:08

                    @Iceman1 go on a run / cycling / any outdoor activity with current altitude displayed in one of the fields. Note the value being displayed at the beginning and give it a glimpse once in a while. You should notice a moment in time that it gets corrected, i.e. from 110m to 123m at around 15 minutes from the start. It also works retroactively, meaning that the data saved to SA will be corrected from the start of your activity.

                    How often and in what way it’s being corrected afterward - I don’t know. Maybe some Suunto wizards will tell us more.

                    S9PP 2.40.44

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                      Iceman1 @Łukasz Szmigiel
                      last edited by 27 Dec 2023, 21:56

                      @Łukasz-Szmigiel said in Altimeter recordings while running:

                      How often and in what way it’s being corrected afterward - I don’t know. Maybe some Suunto wizards will tell us more.

                      That would be interesting!

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                        Tadas Linge @Iceman1
                        last edited by 29 Dec 2023, 05:10

                        @Iceman1 yes really interesting. Yesterday i went for a run, altimeter was calibrated manually before run to 41m and after 3 hours of GPS activity in the same spot i already had 68meters. So i do not see, how calibration helps here. Yes it shows the right altitude at the beginning of the activity, but then deviates. Maybe anyone knows some contact person in Suunto, who could explain in more details such measurements? Thank you.

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                          Brad_Olwin Moderator @Tadas Linge
                          last edited by 29 Dec 2023, 13:54

                          @Tadas-Linge You can certainly contact support but there are Suunto folks here on the forum. First, how about a few more details. The placement of the baro sensor holes on the Vertical have virtually eliminated issues with the sensor holes coming into contact with skin and changing pressure, which happened on the Suunto 9 baro.

                          1. Are you wearing the watch under clothing or over clothing?
                          2. Is it windy where you are running? Very strong winds can affect the sensor as well but they have to be strong.

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                          T 1 Reply Last reply 30 Dec 2023, 06:48 Reply Quote 0
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                            Tadas Linge @Brad_Olwin
                            last edited by 30 Dec 2023, 06:48

                            @Brad_Olwin hello and thank you for your answer.

                            1. when i am running i always wear watch in such way that it would be exposed at all times, because i am checking it constantly.
                            2. i cannot say it is windy. app shows that last time when i ran and got +25m altitude deviation at the end of run wind was 6m/s, but i could not say that there was any wind at all.

                            i have also a question is there any way to check if during activity watch is measuring altitude by baro sensor or by gps?

                            Thank you

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                              Tieutieu Platinum Member @Tadas Linge
                              last edited by Tieutieu 30 Dec 2023, 07:01

                              @Tadas-Linge it’s all the time mixing gps and baro. That’s fusedalti. Baro only if you use a sport mode where gps is not activated.

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                              T 1 Reply Last reply 31 Dec 2023, 12:41 Reply Quote 0
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                                Tadas Linge @Tieutieu
                                last edited by 31 Dec 2023, 12:41

                                @Tieutieu thank you for your reply.
                                yes, this is clear, but the question is how watch is determining that now i will use GPS and now Baro. and because i am seeing these deviations, i am assuming that at that time Baro was used instead of GPS. if yes, then why?

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                                  Łukasz Szmigiel @Tadas Linge
                                  last edited by 31 Dec 2023, 15:38

                                  @Tadas-Linge barometer is used by default for altitude with the exception of few sports where the wind is extreme.

                                  FusedAlti is using gps for barometer calibration but in general, barometer is being used for altitude as gps is too unreliable for constant elevation measurement.

                                  That’s why initial calibration happens in the first 15 minutes of workout as there’s quality threshold (the calibration won’t happen if the GPS error is too large).

                                  GPS is fine to calibrate the barometer but it’s unreliable for constant altitude measurement.

                                  S9PP 2.40.44

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                                    Tadas Linge @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                    last edited by 31 Dec 2023, 16:05

                                    @Łukasz-Szmigiel thank you. So it means if you have weather change after first 15 minutes, your altirude will be off for the rect of activity…

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                                      Tadas Linge @Łukasz Szmigiel
                                      last edited by 31 Dec 2023, 16:07

                                      @Łukasz-Szmigiel also is the same logic used in all suunto watches? Do you know?

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                                        A Former User @Tadas Linge
                                        last edited by A Former User 31 Dec 2023, 16:29

                                        @Tadas-Linge Try doing an activity with the GPS off so you can get a sense of how things are going with just the barometer, and I suggest you do this when the weather is changing…Then think that there is an algorithm that avoids excessive drifts using GPS data

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                                          di gregorio roberto
                                          last edited by 31 Dec 2023, 16:41

                                          Buongiorno, mi servirebbe sapere come eliminare da un sunto vertical un itinerario salvato .erroneamente ho cancellato l itinerario dall app del telefono senza accoppiarlo prima all orologio.in tal modo si è cancellato solo da telefono e non da orologio.fatemi sapere come poter fare . Grazie intanto saluti

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