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    • SamuelPS Offline
      SamuelP Bronze Member @Antoine
      last edited by SamuelP

      @Antoine No OHR doesnt give accurate enough HRV data

      T3 article explains it in a simple way:

      “One thing to note is that ZoneSense requires a heart rate monitor for accuracy, as wrist-based optical heart rate monitors can’t measure HRV accurately during exercise. While this might feel like a step back for some, especially given how convenient wrist-based monitoring has become, the belt is essential for the depth of data ZoneSense provides.”

      Also there is a ton of information in the links provided in the “ZoneSense app” page in Suuntoplus store. You will probably find all the answers to questions there. 😁

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      • EgikaE Offline
        Egika Platinum Member
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        This is probably THE big innovation in the field of sports tech this year!

        Not another fake metric, but a real support for athletes during races.

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          lessthanmore Bronze Member @Mff73
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          @Mff73 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

          meaning it will not work with Polar OHR (veritysense)

          Not sure about that. I’ll test it anyways.

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            SamuelP Bronze Member @lessthanmore
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            @lessthanmore

            https://www.suunto.com/en-gb/sports/News-Articles-container-page/zonesense-faq/:

            "Can ZoneSense be used with an arm heart rate monitor?

            Arm heart rate monitors use optical heartrate. This cannot be used to measure the beat to beat data accurately during exercise, therefore ZoneSense is not available for these sensors."

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              Dušan Ković @SamuelP
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              @Samuel-Pirttikangas Ah, I no longer have HR belt, only Verity Sense… Nevertheless, this is amazing feature that will probably push me to get HR belt again

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                Luis Andés Olmedo Bronze Member
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                https://www.correrunamaraton.com/suunto-zonesense/ (in spanish)

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                  TrailEyes Gold Members
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                  Here’s my writeup on ZoneSense based on Suunto’s reveal webinar recently: https://www.actionhub.com/news/2024/09/18/suunto-zonesense-app-innovates-heart-stress-data-for-athletes/

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                    The_77 Silver Members
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                    I’m curious to see what it’s like now it’s “live” after it slipped in and out of beta a month or so back. Because some of the aerobic threshold estimates for my old runs are interesting. Appreciate margin of error on old stuff was discussed in the articles.

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                      VoiGAS Silver Members @SamuelP
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                      @Samuel-Pirttikangas Finally something I can use my HR belt for. Yes 😀!


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                      • Mff73M Offline
                        Mff73 @lessthanmore
                        last edited by

                        @lessthanmore said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                        @Mff73 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                        meaning it will not work with Polar OHR (veritysense)

                        Not sure about that. I’ll test it anyways.

                        Not 100% sure neither, but with veritysense, there is no IBI data registered by the watch (as far as I remember, need to recheck)

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                        • AntoineA Offline
                          Antoine Bronze Member
                          last edited by Antoine

                          Does it work with all HR belt Suunto ? Like the HR belt Suunto available before the “SUUNTO SMART” (one that i bought with a Suunto Ambit 3) ? Or it works only with SUUNTO SMART ?

                          Ps: now i have a Suunto Vertical.

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                            Egika Platinum Member @Antoine
                            last edited by

                            @Antoine Ambit 3 belt will do. It has RR measurement and is BT.

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                              nseslija Bronze Member @TrailEyes
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                              @TrailEyes Link is not working…

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                                Egika Platinum Member @nseslija
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                                @nseslija said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                                @TrailEyes Link is not working…

                                works for me

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                                  isazi Moderator @The_77
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                                  @The_77 let me comment on this. The mapping between ZoneSense and thresholds in terms of HR is there mostly because people like their zones, and would fight over the number and meaning of them, even if science says that you basically have three cardio zones 🙂

                                  So, ZoneSense is a way to get rid of zones, and have another metric to separate aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max efforts during a workout.

                                  But, people want zones, so using ZoneSense it would also be possible to get aerobic/anaerobic zones to set your thresholds accordingly, especially if you do not use a chest strap at all times. But ZoneSense uses data that can change day by day, during the same day, affected by temperature, stress, food and drinks, and everything else.

                                  So, no need to change your zones every single day because of what ZoneSense may say, better to still plan tests for aerobic and anaerobic thresholds, and see what ZoneSense tells you about these workouts, and set your zones.

                                  And if one day you see that your HR is Z2 according to the zones you set, but ZoneSense on the S+ app tells you that you are in anaerobic or VO2max effort, maybe that day you are particularly tired and can lower your effort 🙂

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                                    The_77 Silver Members @isazi
                                    last edited by The_77

                                    @isazi that’s what I thought - the underlying data of aerobic or anaerobic lined up with what I already thought, just the number seemed a bit off.

                                    And re: days you are tired, I found one of those where my HR data was clearly suppressed and Zone sense could show I was working much harder than it would otherwise appear (and I could tell from doing the run that I was lackluster on the day) 👍

                                    On a separate note: how is ZoneSense managing with quality of data, i.e. dodgy strap connection due to battery/moistness. Data filtered out from calculations?

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                                      nseslija Bronze Member @Egika
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                                      @Egika Working now 🙂

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                                      • isaziI Offline
                                        isazi Moderator @The_77
                                        last edited by

                                        @The_77 yes, data is filtered out, and there are even more checks in the app after the activity, so values during and after may be a bit different, but should not differ too much… or your strap may not be working properly

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                                        • Dušan KovićD Offline
                                          Dušan Ković @isazi
                                          last edited by

                                          @isazi The more I read about this, the more amazing it looks. Great way to get rid of 5 zone system, anaerobic and lab tests, and just train in personalized manner

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                                          • AntoineA Offline
                                            Antoine Bronze Member @isazi
                                            last edited by

                                            @isazi said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                                            @The_77 let me comment on this. The mapping between ZoneSense and thresholds in terms of HR is there mostly because people like their zones, and would fight over the number and meaning of them, even if science says that you basically have three cardio zones 🙂

                                            So, ZoneSense is a way to get rid of zones, and have another metric to separate aerobic/anaerobic/VO2max efforts during a workout.

                                            But, people want zones, so using ZoneSense it would also be possible to get aerobic/anaerobic zones to set your thresholds accordingly, especially if you do not use a chest strap at all times. But ZoneSense uses data that can change day by day, during the same day, affected by temperature, stress, food and drinks, and everything else.

                                            So, no need to change your zones every single day because of what ZoneSense may say, better to still plan tests for aerobic and anaerobic thresholds, and see what ZoneSense tells you about these workouts, and set your zones.

                                            And if one day you see that your HR is Z2 according to the zones you set, but ZoneSense on the S+ app tells you that you are in anaerobic or VO2max effort, maybe that day you are particularly tired and can lower your effort 🙂

                                            Ok, so now, there is no need to define accurate HR zone. ZoneSense does not use HR zones defined in the watch that’s right ?

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