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    • Brad_OlwinB Offline
      Brad_Olwin Moderator @Danny poleg
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      @Danny-poleg said in Suunto ZoneSense:

      @Mff73
      The truth is, now that I’m reading what you wrote, it seems that you are indeed correct
      What I will do now is write down the threshold data that appears in today’s training data and compare it to the next training I will do.
      I, like you, would love to learn from the members here on the forum.

      To add to what @Mff73 said, ZS is not HR and is not meant to function as HR. Instead it is a real-time feedback on your effort if you have a newer watch. For example, if you did a long hard workout or intervals the day before your AT threshold in ZS is likely to be lower than your typical threshold. ZS is not necessarily meant to set thresholds but depending on the number and intensity of workouts should give you a good idea of where your zones are.

      The power of the real-time feedback is to help you achieve the desired intensity for a workout or monitor intensity for a Race. ZS is already proving a game changer for me, my training and my racing!

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        Brad_Olwin Moderator @duffman19
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        @duffman19 Suunto have done this very clearly in the video @halajos linked.

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          duffman19 @halajos
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          @halajos @Brad_Olwin Yes, I watched that. I’m (somewhat) interested in the new metric and I barely made it through the video. That might say something about my attention span, but I’m gonna guess the average user isn’t going to sit through that.

          I am aware there is a delay in the analysis, I just didn’t recall hearing the specific 3 minute window mentioned. That goes a long way to help my understanding of the post-activity graphics.

          On the other hand, the ad produced by Suunto to introduce ZS does nothing to explain how the metric is derived. This is the video most users might see, if anything at all. My point above was that Suunto has a lot of work to do if they want ZS to be a selling point for their products. And this is evident by the many puzzled reactions from users in other forums.

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          • Mff73M Offline
            Mff73
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            Maybe a graph bug.
            One this graph, limit between aerobic and anaerobic seems to be at 150bpm
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            But on this one it is at 160 (same activity ofc)
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            And correlated with AT proposal
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              Ze Stuart Gold Members @duffman19
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              @duffman19 I’m with you: I love that they put the effort into explaining the new metric, unlike Garmin who might put together one page, somewhere, maybe… but the reality is very few people will watch one of those videos, let alone all of them. Case in point:

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              We are a species that worships little devices designed to support the attention economy, with the optimum length of a YT video being something like 12m.

              Regardless of what point is made, somewhere, in a 54m video, it’s going to be unavailable most.

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                mlakis Bronze Member @Mff73
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                @Mff73 I don’t think that the ZS axis (on the left) is to be correlated with the axis (on the right) of the second metric selected (here is HR, it could be something else, elevation etc).

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                  Mff73 @mlakis
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                  @mlakis
                  Omg, but you are right 😳, I feel stupid now. 😔.

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                    duffman19 @duffman19
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                    @duffman19 said in Suunto ZoneSense:

                    I think Suunto is going to need to do a better job of explaining exactly what ZoneSense is and what it is not, how it works, and what users should expect from it.

                    I guess someone at Suunto was already on top of this. Their last two IG posts have done a decent job of boiling down the basics of ZoneSense. I think they forgot to mention you need an external HR strap, though. Whoops.

                    https://www.instagram.com/p/DAlHQyVJMgu/
                    https://www.instagram.com/p/DAsfQjRN0In/

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                      althaea35 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
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                      @Brad_Olwin I have been using ZoneSense to help pace my longer aerobic runs quite successfully, but today I did a 3 km assessment effort sandwiched between longish aerobic efforts. I feel that if I used ZS to pace my effort today it could be problematic.

                      Counter intuitively my ZS reading continued to fall into the ‘green zone’ as the very hard effort of the 3k progressed. Using Runalyze I have determined my HRV data was very ‘clean’ and my subjective feeling aligns to my heart rate.

                      Any thoughts?

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                        FCDsh
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                        I have noticed that the ZoneSense DDFA index values are displayed in the range 99-101, although the graph here in the screenshots in the forum shows values with “0.x”. Does anyone have any idea why this is the case? I also can’t explain why the training is classified as 100% aerobic, even though I trained in higher heart rate zones? Does the algorithm need to learn more here? alt text
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                          FCDsh
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                          I have noticed that the ZoneSense DDFA index values are displayed in the range 99-101, although the screenshots here in the forum show values with “0.x”. Does anyone have an explanation for this? Also, I can’t explain why the workout is classified as 100% aerobic even though I trained in higher heart rate zones? Does the algorithm need to learn more here?

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                            dulko79
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                            Not related to your case, but it has been posted in Suunto FB groups there is a bug in ios and the fix is on the way. 🤞

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                              Brad_Olwin Moderator @althaea35
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                              @althaea35 Did you have the S+ app running on the watch? Mine today showed VO2M efforts but not on the app.

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                                althaea35 Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
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                                @Brad_Olwin Hi Brad yes it was running on the watch and from memory reflects what is showing in post analysis in the app.

                                For the life of me I haven’t been able to get the S+ app (or post analysis) into the red zone or even stay prolonged in the yellow zone. I would’ve hoped prolonged threshold efforts would take me there.

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                                  VoiGAS Silver Members @FCDsh
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                                  @FCDsh Yes, I had the same problem on one exercise and believe the belt wasn’t sitting well, even if the HR was always measured. Next training I took more care and the values were back in the normal range


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                                    halajos Bronze Member @VoiGAS
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                                    I just did my first 50 mile race and decided to control my effort with ZoneSense. It seemed to work pretty well, the zone or displayed aligned well with my feeling when running or hiking up a hill. I noticed something though, which I don’t know how to interpret. When I was running and decided to switch to walking for some reason, ZonSense showed that I went to anaerobic zone even though my heart rate was declining. When switched back to running, my HR started to increase end ZS went back to aerobic. Is there a reasonable explanation for that?

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                                      Audaxjoe @halajos
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                                      @halajos well done on your first 50 mile race 😀

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                                        Radim Stengl @halajos
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                                        @halajos I have the same problem. I am not able to get in yellow zone at all. As my pace increases or I start to run uphill, I fall even deeper in green zone even if my HR is climbing up. Any idea how to interpret it?

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                                          Mff73 @Radim Stengl
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                                          @Radim-Stengl
                                          How long are you staying in expected zone (HRzone)?

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                                            Mattg576 @Radim Stengl
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                                            @Radim-Stengl

                                            I’ve been using Zonesense since it’s release & also saw it regularly drop off as my effort increased as you describe.
                                            It does seem less frequent now so maybe it ‘calibrates’ the more you use it but it’s still present as can be seen below, I’d also be interested if anyone can explain why ?

                                            (even stranger as it is complete opposite to what @halajos mentions above)

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