Trying to Like Suunto Vertical Ti Solar

[gonzosurfer]

Re: Conclusions about the Suunto Vertical

I’ve had the Vertical for two weeks. I am impressed with the battery life but have a hard time with the other features. I am trying to give it a fair shake. HR is not accurate. On my hardest climb my HR was reading 118 on the downhill my HR was 190 (my max HR is 172). On a swim workout, the watch does not record kick sets. I am not sure how accurate the other calculated measurements are. For example form is showing +35, Strava is showing -35. My body is telling me Strava is right. Help! what am I doing wrong. I went through all the reviews and those were good. I tried contacting tech support but have not heard anything yet. What is there to love? Someone give me a reason to keep this watch. BTW, my Seiko automatic has a longer battery life and does about the same thing

[kriskus]

@gonzosurfer Is this for real or are you just trolling? How are you comparing a sportswatch with a classic watch? Or can your Seiko track your GPS activities with maps navigation? If you are unhappy with oHR readings then get an HR belt.

[gerasimos]

@gonzosurfer emotions are very hard to break through the titanium outer shell…

[VoiGAS]

@gonzosurfer Form is a long time calculation, it will not be right after two weeks. Also your zones have to be defined correctly for it to work.
And for automatic watches: I also love them, but your vertical is more accurate, lighter and maybe has one or two additional features

[Roberto_m]

@kriskus What kind of reasoning is that? I can also reverse the argument by saying that if Suunto is not capable of making a decent HR they might as well not put it in their watches, they are of no use, better to give an HR belt as a present, they would look better with it. I sold my SV, the HR doesn´t work, they make them in China now, I can´t recommend them.

[Mouse Cruiser]

@Roberto_m A smartwatch is a tool. And like any tool, you have to know how to use it properly. The more you master it, the more you can do with it. Expecting a tool to know what you want from it is still premature.

[Roberto_m]

@Mouse-Cruiser It does not take much to read the ‘best practices’ provided by suunto and realise that they are just time wasted because the HHR does not work anyway. For me it wouldn’t even be a problem if Suunto would admit it, I have even written to Suunto suggesting to avoid putting useless HR that doesn’t work and create watches focused on navigation, maybe thinner, lighter and even more beautiful because they don’t have to put all the useless sensor technology of an HR sensor in them. But since they became a Chinese subsidiary without even production in Europe, not even the service and communication with Suunto works anymore. I can only recommend reselling the SV as quickly as I did.

[Brad_Olwin]

@Roberto_m @gonzosurfer The HR is fine for daily and sleep HR measurements, works great for walking too. I have an Apple Watch Ultra 2 that has supposedly the best optical HR available. It does not accurately record HR during my intervals.

So, I do not know where you expect Suunto to find or manufacture an optical HR. None of them are good enough because the underlying technology is not good enough. However, for recovery, HRV during sleep, and all the other information everyone demands the optical HR is good enough. Because customers want and demand a watch to tell them how they are feeling, when to sleep, how to train and when to train manufacturers have no choice.

In part I agree with you as I would prefer an athlete-centered watch that does not possess OHR, does not track sleep, does not track HRV but is very thin and has phenomenal battery. I am a long-time Training Peaks user and the training integration with TP is essential for me, that is all I need. I train predominately by RPE.

[kriskus]

@Roberto_m That’s logical reasoning. The author claims that except for the (non-functioning) oHR, the watch does the same thing as his Seiko, apparently forgetting about all the other sensors of his Vertical and its integration with the mobile app.

[Ghost]

@Roberto_m I’d add that manufacturing in China doesn’t automatically mean low quality. Apple makes iPhones there, so preconceived notions…

[sartoric]

@iterumtenta
In fact it is Taiwan but it doesn’t change the sense.
Arc’teryx stuff are made in China, partially. I won’t say their products are bad quality.

[Ghost]

@sartoric Taiwan, China, and any country are all capable of high-quality manufacturing. I’m so tired of these widespread stereotypes. People are being racist with impunity, not even realizing how wrong they are. Anyway, thanks for the clarification.

[sartoric]

@iterumtenta
Let’s say that also the other pov it’s understandable.
Having marketplaces (real and virtual) flooded with cheap low quality stuff from there, definitely doesn’t help.

[Ghost]

@sartoric OK but jumping to the conclusion that Suunto, which has been making quality products for over 85 years with a strong focus on accuracy, will become a maker of low-quality gadget products just because they are manufactured in China is, excuse me, a bit ridiculous to remain polite.

[Elipsus]

@iterumtenta This argument has been beaten to death on this forum.
Its not about manufacturing quality, its about european de-industrialization lack of worker safety, less stringent heatlh rules,etc

[Jonathan C]

@iterumtenta where’s the “race” in the equation?

Looks like we are discussing nationalities at worst, and the Vertical at best.

[Ghost]

@Jonathan-C yes exactly. The « not realizing it » was spot on. Thanks.

[sartoric]

… anyway, considering that the OP never replied and that the discussion derailed, I’m going to lock it.

The OP can open a new thread if needed.