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    • Stefano M64S Online
      Stefano M64 Silver Members @Łukasz Szmigiel
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      @Łukasz-Szmigiel said in Autopause too aggressive for slow or climbing activities:

      Why not have auto pause engage on walks or hikes only when speed drops below 2 kmh for 15 seconds or longer and then unpause only after exceeding a distance of 25 - 50 meters?

      I think something like this could be a good approach, the actual implementations just work for fast activities, while in the manual nothing is written about that, it is supposed to work for any kind of activity.

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        Brad_Olwin Moderator @fondueaufromage
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        @fondueaufromage Not for me:) Hills are too steep and I am too slow.

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          Elipsus Silver Members @Brad_Olwin
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          @Brad_Olwin Mouarf that’s not a great answer… “Autopause is not working correctly” -> “Don’t use Autopause”

          Not really, his remark is relevant, if Suunto can’t make a functionnal autopause for hiking, Suunto should either make it work, or remove it, its not supposed to be up to the customer to find “which feature included,advertised, displayed and available in my 500€ smartwatch is working correctly”

          making an autopause that work for hiking, or any sport really isn’t hard, make it position dependent instead of speed dependant, and boom, you have something that works, especially since nowaday GPS tracking is so much better than before

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            t-Dox @Tieutieu
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            @Tieutieu Hi, I agree with you that the pause is part of a journey. In fact, if I go on a long trek with my girlfriend or friends, I also turn off the autopause. However, last year, I used it a lot to monitor the progress of a workout. This way, if I meet a friend on the street, I can stop to talk and say hello calmly, without compromising the training measurements. Otherwise, you can’t stop to talk to anyone without compromising the time recording…

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              Tieutieu Platinum Member @t-Dox
              last edited by Tieutieu

              @t-Dox yep agree ; I still use manual pause in such case. Moreover the « resume reminder » when pause is on and a mouvement detected is perfect not to forget to restart recording

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              • fondueaufromageF Offline
                fondueaufromage Bronze Member @Brad_Olwin
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                @Brad_Olwin Could the problem be in the calculation method for determining the speed of movement?
                By that I mean, are only longitude and latitude taken into account or also elevation is include for determining the speed? Be careful, I’m not talking about vertical speed!
                Because I was careful to move flat at the same speed as when going up a steep slope (using step cadence as reference) and the speed indicated by the watch is very different. On a slope, this gives the impression that the watch only takes into account horizontal movement, without taking into account vertical movement. Obviously, the steeper the slope, the bigger the error… thanks Pythagoras.

                And therefore, this could be a reason for the sensitivity of autopause… ?

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                • Tomas5T Offline
                  Tomas5
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                  Most funny for me was on MTB. I have bike sensor. It measured speed less than 2km/h on big climb and put me on autopause even my pedaling rpm was around 30 rpm.

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                  • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                    Brad_Olwin Moderator @t-Dox
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                    @t-Dox said in Autopause too aggressive for slow or climbing activities:

                    @Tieutieu Hi, I agree with you that the pause is part of a journey. In fact, if I go on a long trek with my girlfriend or friends, I also turn off the autopause. However, last year, I used it a lot to monitor the progress of a workout. This way, if I meet a friend on the street, I can stop to talk and say hello calmly, without compromising the training measurements. Otherwise, you can’t stop to talk to anyone without compromising the time recording…

                    Or since this is training and you stopped it is recorded. I do not pause or use auto pause when running. If I stop an talk with a friend that is reflected in my workout as the stop reduced my effort and HR changing my workout. I want that recorded.

                    The only time I use auto pause is road cycling for stop lights.

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                    • matteo_000M Offline
                      matteo_000 @Tomas5
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                      @Tomas5 I agree with you. In MTB sport mode, when you are on a big climb, sometimes the watch goes in auto-pause status. Maybe it will be good adjust the watch setting for some sport mode.

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                        maszop Bronze Member @matteo_000
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                        The solution is simple, yet complicated.
                        Instead of 100 kinds of fake sports modes, just fewer but real ones.
                        Autopause, distance when navigation messages are displayed, elevation gain, button function and many other things should be tailored to the given activity.
                        Now there are 100 activities that only have slightly different configured information screens.
                        Everything else is rigidly set mainly for running.

                        The problem is that Suunto doesn’t know what user options are. Everything has to be hard coded with no option to change it - unfortunately often completely pointless for a given activity.

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                          Bogdan1921 Silver Members Bronze Member @maszop
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                          But after the last update, the autopause option is working for you? On my watch no matter if it’s mtb or running for me it’s impossible to use. It’s blinking (enable/disable) when I’m moving.

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                          • Stefano M64S Online
                            Stefano M64 Silver Members
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                            Many years ago I used a pedometer app (Accupedo) on my smartphone: once the counting stopped the app started counting again only after 10 consecutive steps. That was very simple and effective, I tested it many times and it always worked like a charm. Maybe for slower activities (as walking) a similar approach could be used for restart an activity after it has been auto-paused, the algorithm could be improved by using both GPS and accelerometer data.

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                              Tomas5 @Stefano M64
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                              @Stefano-M64 i think they should combine steps and speed for walk, not just speed. And for bike rpm and speed should work. But not everybody has bike pod. And i don’t know how easy or hard it is implement in watch itself.

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                              • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                Łukasz Szmigiel @Tomas5
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                                @Tomas5 Just make different thresholds for different sports types. That’ll be enough.

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                                  Stefano M64 Silver Members @Łukasz Szmigiel
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                                  @Łukasz-Szmigiel said in Autopause too aggressive for slow or climbing activities:

                                  @Tomas5 Just make different thresholds for different sports types. That’ll be enough.

                                  triggers for low thresholds could be difficult to compute reliably because of uncertainties in the GPS data, especially when there is no clear view of the sky

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                                  • Łukasz SzmigielŁ Offline
                                    Łukasz Szmigiel @Stefano M64
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                                    @Stefano-M64 use average speed in time windows, not just when it’s below 2 kmh. For 10 sec for example.

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