Sleep analysis
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I am currently testing the Suunto Run and the Apple Watch SE 2 during my sleep. And as much as I am impressed with the precision of the Apple Watch, the Suunto Run is completely beside the truth. Example of the last sequel which was a bad night and during which I got up around 2 a.m. because I couldn’t fall asleep. The Apple Watch perfectly detected this period while the Run thought I was sleeping. The problem with this false data is that the recovery is based on this false data and therefore the recovery is also false. The sleep score on the iPhone is “Passable” with a 0 out of 20 on interruptions and on the other side Sunnto announced a “normal” recovery. What do you think?
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@ADidier one thing that I noticed is that my score is consistently 79% (around 8/10 times) or a very close number in the app. No score is given on the watch which is weird. The algorithm needs some polish for sure.
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@ADidier I guess it depends on what you are using the data for… I pretty much ignore sleep analysis. If I sleep poorly I know it, if I sleep well I know it. Then when I exercise I do not use a device to tell me how hard I can exercise. If I have an interval run scheduled and I am tired and don’t feel I can perform the interval to achieve the desired intensity and get the training benefit I will defer to another day.
Personally I think relying on devices to tell you how well you slept, how you feel and how recovered you are is ludicrous. Sorry, my opinion only, not Suunto’s or anyone else’s.Vector/T6c/Vertical 2 Ti
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@Brad_Olwin
Because of everything you wrote I left Garmin. Now I use Suunto run and the only thing that matters to me is that it has an accurate gps. -
@Brad_Olwin I double that.
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@Brad_Olwin I don’t agree with this view. If the feature is there it should work. Or do you buy a car with air conditioning but if doesn’t work it’s ok because you can open the windows?
Suunto has a much less “fatigued” set of features compared to Garmin and I like it but the one’s they put on their watches should work with minimal accuracy.
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@Brad_Olwin said in Sleep analysis:
@ADidier I guess it depends on what you are using the data for… I pretty much ignore sleep analysis. If I sleep poorly I know it, if I sleep well I know it. Then when I exercise I do not use a device to tell me how hard I can exercise. If I have an interval run scheduled and I am tired and don’t feel I can perform the interval to achieve the desired intensity and get the training benefit I will defer to another day.
Personally I think relying on devices to tell you how well you slept, how you feel and how recovered you are is ludicrous. Sorry, my opinion only, not Suunto’s or anyone else’s.As ADidier stated, the sleep results can affect Recovery score. Ar you ignoring this metric too, or don’t sleep with the watch, so the Recovery metric doesn’t have that? Additionally the Resources metric also uses sleep data.
If your position is Suunto should completely delete Sleep, Resources, and Recovery metrics from the watch and app, as Suunto users should just “know this” like you do, then that’s certainly a bold position to take.
And hey, I’m not fully opposed to that. Perhaps Suunto should remove these things. Tell people not to sleep with their watch. Tell them to seek answers within, not without. Spend more time developing things that work rather than fixing things people don’t need, if that’s the final analysis of these features.
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@Nelson-Diogo said in Sleep analysis:
@Brad_Olwin I don’t agree with this view. If the feature is there it should work. Or do you buy a car with air conditioning but if doesn’t work it’s ok because you can open the windows?
Suunto has a much less “fatigued” set of features compared to Garmin and I like it but the one’s they put on their watches should work with minimal accuracy.
The analogy I think Brad is using is “I always drive with the windows open, so don’t need air conditioning,” and this leads to the collaborative thought “and if people want to be cooler, then they should open windows, not turn on air conditioning.”
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@Brad_Olwin Here here to all of what you said! In some respects, I’m tempted many times to turn OFF much of the detailed analysis features and just go by feel, and use watches for time and distance data (which dual band GNSS has made scary accurate!).
I had someone tell me when I first started running to learn to run by feel, and specifically to go to the extreme at times of literally covering the watch screen with tape (a little harder now with touch lol) to force myself to focus on the run, not the watch. I haven’t followed that as much as I probably should, but just like other posts I’ve made across this forum in recent days, there’s a point that simpler is better. And even with sleep data, my personal take has become more and more to use it as a reference for long term trends, rather than a detailed to the minute view of a particular night.
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@raven i wonder how people were doing sports before smart/sport watches when they did not know how much resources they had
But I partly agree with you that we should not have features that does not work, but we are not there withh all this smart watches boom, since some things are just “good enough”, Garmin is a clear example of that with million scores that had inaccurate and even sometimes unscientific data behind it, but it is accepted by the community. Sleep analysis are not accurate on all devices, but everybody uses it. Yes it could be better at detecting wake up times and total sleep time, but it is hard to make an algorithm that is as good for all users.
Resources and Recovery might be made up using sleep data but it depends to what degree. But I cannot comment on those since I do not look at it and have it removed from all my widgets. -
@Nelson-Diogo said in Sleep analysis:
@Brad_Olwin I don’t agree with this view. If the feature is there it should work. Or do you buy a car with air conditioning but if doesn’t work it’s ok because you can open the windows?
Suunto has a much less “fatigued” set of features compared to Garmin and I like it but the one’s they put on their watches should work with minimal accuracy.
I’m 54 years old and have been running since I was 9. So I know myself very well: I can tell if I’ve had a good night’s sleep and how to adjust my workouts accordingly. I like to analyze my data and compare it to how I feel.
I completely agree with Nelson: the features Suunto includes in its watches are optional, and there’s no obligation to use them. However, the least we can expect is that they be reliable—which, unfortunately, isn’t the case here.
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@ADidier
Ja schade dass die wachzeiten immer noch nicht richtigr egistriert werden…sie werden fast gänzlich mit leichtschlaf ausgepügelt…dass ist do schade so habe ich immer 30-60 min täglich mehr schlafzeit als ich eigentlich geschlafen habe…dass ist so schade und verzehrt die ganzen Erholungs und Ressourcen werte…ich hoffe so stark dass suunto dieses Problem löst… weil der sportuhr teil ist weitaus der beste von allen anderen… -
@Thaler-Martin Could you please use English as it is the forum language? I believe it is easier nowadays with all the tools we have. Thank you.
