Disable Morning Report?

jmolenaar2

You are right. I wont do that again. I understand it’s more confusing than helping.

Have a good day

Stefano M64

for reasons beyond my comprehension, disabling sleep tracking also disables hrv.

With sleep tracking disabled you do not miss anything. It’s not very accurate.

I believe that now the sleep tracking is accurate enough, at wake up I usually give a look at the graph of the sleep stages and it generally fit with my feeling

however, it think that sleep tracking and HRV estimation could be actually decoupled since they should be computed using different data, that is: movements (accelerometer) and heart rate, respectively.

aiv4r

@Stefano-M64 Yea in ideal case, Suunto could make manual HRV measurement possibility that people could do in the morning (I am hearing that it is the best way of measuring HRV). In that case it would work independently of sleep and sleep time HRV and would probably give an ability to have HRV measurement even with 24/7 HR tracking disabled.

elbee

@Stefano-M64 said in Disable Morning Report?:

I believe that now the sleep tracking is accurate enough

I think it is absolutely rubbish.

Sleep tracking was on last night. I went to bed at 22:20, did some reading and turned of the light at 22:30. I woke op at 5:50 and waited until 6:30 for the alarm to go of and wake my wife. Before I went to bed I did some reading (from 20:00 onwards) and watched an episode of the boys on the couch (from 21:00 onwards)

Sleep tracking says I have fallen asleep at 20:46 and slept until 6:17.
Both are completely wrong. And then there are the sleep stages. I have no way to check that, but I can say the pattern isn’t the average pattern a person without sleep problems has during the night.
I’m always puzzled by people who claim sleep stages are accurate.

But besides this. Let’s assume it is accurate. What do I do if it shows I don’t have enough deep sleep? Try to sleep deeper?

For people with sleep problems it can be even more problematic. They only become more stressed about sleep it their watch says they have a low sleep score. That’s not something I say, that’s what medical sleep specialists say.

You also say, it generally fit with your feeling. That’s great! Just trust your feeling and don’t look at some algorithm.
Just ask yourself in the morning, do I feel refreshed or still tired? If tired very often, do something about it.

So far my rant

With the last firmware update Suunto added some more fine grained settings (new alarm settings is great!) and I hope they continue this way. Most of the little annoyances I had after I switched from Garmin to Suunto are already solved. There are some minors left.

aiv4r

@elbee just a reminder that if something does not work well for you does not mean that it does not work for others also. I do not care much about sleep tracking, but all my Suunto watches were very spoton on detecting sleep time and even naps. So it works for some people for sure.
But I understand your frustration very well.

Stefano M64

@elbee said in Disable Morning Report?:

Sleep tracking was on last night. I went to bed at 22:20, did some reading and turned of the light at 22:30. I woke op at 5:50 and waited until 6:30 for the alarm to go of and wake my wife. Before I went to bed I did some reading (from 20:00 onwards) and watched an episode of the boys on the couch (from 21:00 onwards)

Sleep tracking says I have fallen asleep at 20:46 and slept until 6:17.
Both are completely wrong.

I never got such a problem, the fallen asleep and wake up times have always been correct for me. With the last update also the awake time is improved, before it was too sensitive.

You also say, it generally fit with your feeling. That’s great! Just trust your feeling and don’t look at some algorithm.

of course, it can be disabled if you don’t like it, or simply do not wear your watch while at bed

elbee

@aiv4r Sure. I know some people claim better results. Same with the optical heart rate sensor. Some claim it’s spot on and I never had a watch with an optical sensor that was accurate enough to ditch my external sensor.

But really, one cannot claim that sleep stages are accurate just by looking at it. The watch doesn’t measure sleep. It draws conclusions from input it takes (which we don’t know) based on algorithms
(which we don’t know).

And this all is just a diversion from the original topic: Please add an option to disable morning report.

aiv4r

@elbee Tracking sleep stages and tracking sleep times is very different thing. I agree that we should just disregard stages, those will never be accurate. I was talking about times and not sleep stages, I do not pay attention to those.

Re Morning Report - Disable sleep tracking and Report will be gone as far as I understand.

elbee

@aiv4r

The one I was replying to did talk about sleep stages. :

@Stefano-M64 said in Disable Morning Report?:

I believe that now the sleep tracking is accurate enough, at wake up I usually give a look at the graph of the sleep stages and it generally fit with my feeling

(and disable sleep tracking to disable morning report is a work around. I prefer a proper configuration setting)

C D

@elbee I agree, there should be a simple toggle for morning report without doing anything about sleep tracking.