[Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update
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I’ve noticed black panels of missing map areas sometimes when using the watch (vertical 2) which seems inconsistent in terms of at what zoom level it occurs, how long it takes to fill in the missing areas and when it happens. This can occur during an activity or when accessing maps from the menu. Hopefully this can be resolved in future updates. I’m sure I read of someone else having the same issue but can’t find that post anymore.
Update - I read online about clearing the map cache with a soft reset which seems to have worked. I’m not sure how much map usage it will take to fill up the cache again and cause this issue to reappear. If practical, perhaps in a future firmware update the cache could automatically be cleared of older map data or all map data after a certain time period to prevent this issue from happening and not require the user to have to manually soft reset the watch every so often.
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[FEATURE REQUEST]
I forgot to suggest a navigation thing that I find very useful.
This is from when I had the Fenix 8. But I have a Forerunner 935 bought in 2017 that does have the navigation arrow there.
I find useful having it in data screens and without jumping to the map.
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@dreamer_ I used the navigation arrow on Garmin Fenix 6 and 7 watches - the one that goes around the data screen.
I thought about suggesting the same for Suunto watches but I think it won’t fit the design because there is already intensity zone dial around most data screens on Suunto watches, and it has its own arrow. Having two different arrows would be confusing.
And besides, in my experience that navigation arrow didn’t work that well at running speeds. Often, it would delay pointing me in the right direction until after I was already past the turn if I wanted to go quickly without stopping, so in many situations it was adding to the confusion rather than helping me to navigate.
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@sky-runner said in [Vertical 2, 2.53.42] Map and Navigation features are greatly improved but there are still a lot of old issues and also new bugs introduced in the latest update:
@dreamer_ I used the navigation arrow on Garmin Fenix 6 and 7 watches - the one that goes around the data screen.
I thought about suggesting the same for Suunto watches but I think it won’t fit the design because there is already intensity zone dial around most data screens on Suunto watches, and it has its own arrow. Having two different arrows would be confusing.
And besides, in my experience that navigation arrow didn’t work that well at running speeds. Often, it would delay pointing me in the right direction until after I was already past the turn if I wanted to go quickly without stopping, so in many situations it was adding to the confusion rather than helping me to navigate.
I’m not that sure. The thing is the arrow we already have for the intensity zone is always is in the other direction, pointing to the datafields. Perhaps that arrow, instead of being white, should have the color that matches the intensity zone. But doing that, red is still invalidated.
So, much better, change the arrow for something else that is not an arrow and problem solved (I.E, a double T).
This is only the idea . The design could be made a lot better, so the problem is not really there.
In the other side, I see an scenario where having the arrow in the datafields is more than nothing. I still remember an ultra running at night with fog and deep forest following that arrow in the datafields. That was several years ago, and also with a Fenix 6 Pro and navigation is much better now. But watches are also a lot more reactive for the arrow.
It’s just an idea, of course. The how, if possible, should be thinked much better than this.
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@dreamer_ Personally, when I am running an ultra or doing a long training run, 90% of the time I am either on the map screen where I can already see what’s coming in terms of navigation or I am on the elevation profile climb guidance screen. Now with data fields at the bottom, that’s all I need. And I can also see upcoming waypoints on the these two screens.
The extra benefit of staying on these screens is that I can’t accidentally pause the recording.
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@sky-runner I agree. Things have changed by a lot .
Perhaps trail running is not the scenario nowadays.
About that argument and if you go further with that and about the map, do you really use the map in a race with beacons?Personally, it’s very rare for me to waste time using it for running in a race with beacons, but I do not conceive a watch without maps (I’m not saying I don’t conceive the watch without the navigation arrow, of course). But is very likely you are running most races with beacons (there are those that do not have them, of course).
Now looking at the shot I posted about the Fenix 8, they are using just a vertical line and not an arrow (I find much better Suunto’s design, not only for this but for datafields with big numbers without text legends). This is not a comparison, It’s thinking about the arrow.
But if navigation arrow is (or can be) implemented the other arrow should clearly be removed and changed for something else. I see even mark using an opaque tiny rectangle, and matching the colour of the zone. There was another brand doing that (I think).
This is just thinking about it. I’m not saying that should be done (at all). But in the other side, it’s very likely that is not something complicated to implement. It’s just about keeping things clean (and I totally agree with you in that).
Suunto Vertical 2 Titanium Sage, Suunto Run
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@Joaquin just to be certain, is the zoom established by pressing top button (vertical 2), us it also possible to zoom out?
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@dreamer_ when you mention beacons, do you mean course markings - that is how it is called in United States - usually a combination of turn signs and ribbons to make sure that you are on the course.
When racing I still use navigation for two reasons:
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To have elevation profile, climb guidance, and distances to aid stations.
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To boost confidence in case I haven’t seen course markings for some time. Also, occasionally, course markings get tampered with or blown away by wind.
Perhaps, during a race I spend less time on the map screen and more time on the elevation profile, especially now that it can also show distances to upcoming waypoints. So in a way, the elevation profile is almost equivalent to Garmin’s Up Ahead feature (but sadly without waypoint names, which I think Suunto should add).
But during a long training run I spend more time on the map screen because I tend to have a unique route for each long run that is specially tailored to my distance and elevation goals for that run.
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@sky-runner yes, course markings.
I completely share your points. The only thing is it’s rare for me to use the map, unless a course marking is lost (that happens, of course) and I’m really “out of the route”.
But what it usually happens (at least here) is that when you are out of the route, you usually know that at very few meters of the real track and it’s very likely easy to return and take the another path instead of stopping and looking at the maps. -
@peegee If I understood correctly than yes same button on Vertical 2 can zoom in / zoom out. Short press zoom in long press zoom out. Same like middle button: short press advance screen long press go back (previous). Cheers!
