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    Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware

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    • ? Offline
      A Former User
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      It would be great if Suunto added ability to manually calibrate the watch - just let me enter the actual distance at the end of the run. I know at least some Garmins allow that. My S9 always measures about 20% long on treadmills. The problem is that most of my runs outside are quite different than treadmills runs, so the automatic calibration simply doesn’t work. My runs outside are either with my dog which affects the wrist movement or trail runs with a lot of elevation changes, which means my cadence tends to be slower outside. My treadmill runs tend to be on the faster side and with higher cadence, so that is probably the reason the watch overestimates the distance and the pace.

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        Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
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        @silentvoyager And S3’s do that 😉

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          SlaSh Platinum Member
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          If you about the correct values for treadmill I would use foot pod for that and all your suffering is ended 😉 none of whatches gave me exact values and none of treadmill in casual gym is calibrated, so foot pod is the best solution for you all 😉

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            Shrek3k @SlaSh
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            For me the SSSWHR does a decent job on a treadmill, not perfect, but decent as in sufficient for me and my use.
            But I am disappointed while using it on a crosstrainer. I do not expect perfection at all, but I really wonder why the results show for today: 60:00 min of use, distance 2,55 km, with 9446 steps, or a few days ago 45:00 min of use, 2,06 km, 6947 steps. So it seems, that the number of steps has been registered correctly… but at the same time the algorithm seems to count every stride with only a “few centimeters” . So: cadence sensor seems to be good, the algorithm not.
            And no - of course most of these values can only be seen on the watch, and not in the incredibly “not too good” SA-app.
            And yes - I would vastly prefer to run outdoors, but have to be patient and suffer indoors due to my marvelous Achilles tendon 😕

            using a Suunto Vertical & Suunto Wings; mostly running (AKA stomping around) and cycling mostly through the northern german "wilderness"
            OS - Android 15/Pixel Pro 7

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              A Former User @SlaSh
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              @SlaSh oHRM

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                nassosc
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                @Shrek3k I think the treadmill is no ones weapon of choice. 🙂

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                  Shrek3k @nassosc
                  last edited by

                  @nassosc said in Losing faith on the S9 (treadmill & HR) latest firmware:

                  @Shrek3k I think the treadmill is no ones weapon of choice. 🙂

                  🙂👍🏻… so true

                  using a Suunto Vertical & Suunto Wings; mostly running (AKA stomping around) and cycling mostly through the northern german "wilderness"
                  OS - Android 15/Pixel Pro 7

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                    A Former User @Shrek3k
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                    My treadmill run today was spot on. Run on the treadmill every blue moon though. I think it is calibrated enough from outdoor runs.

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                      A Former User @SlaSh
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                      @SlaSh I don’t care that much about accuracy on tradmills to buy a footpod. I run on a treadmill only 1-2 miles per week as a warm-up in a gym as opposed to 30-40 miles per week outside. But it would be nice for the error to be less than 20-30%. Just let me calibrate it myself as opposed to automatic calibration.

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                      • nassoscN Offline
                        nassosc
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                        I thought not to start a new thread but yesterday from my 18k outdoor run I have all sorts of different values.

                        Watch and app show avg bmp 146 and movescount 137. you can see the difference in the graphs. Also the first minutes are completely wrong with max heart rate. I did push towards the end so the app graph is closer to the truth although it certainly did not feel anywhere near 180+ (especially at that pace)

                        Also my pace on the watch was 4:56 whereas on strata 4:53.

                        I used the heart rate belt.

                        Screenshot 2019-01-20 at 11.26.40.png IMG_1060.jpg

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                          Brad_Olwin Moderator @nassosc
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                          @nassosc For the Strava issue, Strava filters data, removes all data where Strava thinks you are not moving so speeds will not match.

                          For the HR, if you filter out the high reading at start with MC, do they match well? Avg HR? This is common when the belt is not getting good contact at the beginning or the belt is old or dirty.

                          I do not know why the spike at the start did not show up in SA. How did you sync to both? MC first then SA?

                          Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                            nassosc @Brad_Olwin
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                            @Brad_Olwin

                            the belt is new and clean. First I synced the SA and then MC.

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                            • Václav KrálV Offline
                              Václav Král @nassosc
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                              @nassosc Always, when I use Suunto belt, Strava has wrong values. When i measure HR from S9 OHR, Strava HR is fine.

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                              • Brad_OlwinB Offline
                                Brad_Olwin Moderator @nassosc
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                                @nassosc That is just weird…I have not seen these issues with my belt but I am not directly syncing to MC anymore.

                                Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                  nassosc
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                                  @Brad_Olwin not sure what you mean with directly… I connect to moves count every time I need to charge the watch. The charger is on my Mac.

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                                    Brad_Olwin Moderator @nassosc
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                                    @nassosc I am transferring to Movescount by RunGap on iOS so I am not directly sending data to MC but via a 3rd party.

                                    Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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