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    stromdiddily Gold Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
    last edited by 20 Feb 2019, 20:12

    @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

    kida of a realistic wishlist if we would exclude the gesture

    Curious as to why no gesture? Feature is available on the Apex and I believe on the 935 so it’s definitely doable.

    Honestly I didn’t think it would be that great of a feature until I started wearing the Apex for my early morning runs…

    Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

    User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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      Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @stromdiddily
      last edited by 20 Feb 2019, 20:52

      @stromdiddily its not per say easy and some users can object. I have no say in this 🙂 though.

      That is just my observation.

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        stromdiddily Gold Members @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
        last edited by 20 Feb 2019, 22:27

        @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos I would never say it is easy 🙂

        Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

        User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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          GingerBeardMan Bronze Member
          last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 12:01

          At the very least, it would be nice to push a button during an activity that turns on the backlight without doing anything else. Like the 1st press of the middle button turns on the backlight, after that it changes the screen

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            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @GingerBeardMan
            last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 12:10

            @GingerBeardMan for now try to hold the middle button shortly. It will promptly show the options circle but will light up the screen and not go to the next

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              General_Witt
              last edited by General_Witt 21 Feb 2019, 12:41

              Compass needs to be removed from custom sport modes if the user wishes so. Imho it should be an absolute priority for all the indoor sports athletes.

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                stromdiddily Gold Members @General_Witt
                last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 15:30

                @General_Witt you mean the mandatory breadcrumb screen? I don’t run inside very often but just noticed that you seem to be stuck w it even if you use the treadmill activity.

                Will add it to my list 😊

                Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

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                  A Former User
                  last edited by A Former User 21 Feb 2019, 15:55

                  My wishlist would include:

                  • A dedicated waypoint navigation screen like in Ambit3 with waypoint name, bearing, distance on route, ETE, etc

                  • Dedicated button for backlight (e.g. ability to customize the lower button that I almost never use for laps)

                  • Navigation zoom available in locked mode

                  • Zoom (changing scale) for custom graphs while in exercise

                  • Ability to activate/deactivate the breadcrumbs screen - don’t want to have to scroll through it during 90% of my activities.

                  • Adjustable watch face timeout in non-activity mode (e.g. I want to be able to observe altitude or HR outside of exercise without the watch switching back to watchface after one minute).

                  • Easily accessible recovery time graph on watch (like in Ambit3, not buried too deep in the menu).

                  • Vo2max estimate on watch.

                  • Allow more than 3 screens in custom sport mode.

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                    savvase
                    last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 17:42

                    A perfect wish list i sure hope that suunto is listening and they are willing in making this wish list into reality.

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                      General_Witt @stromdiddily
                      last edited by 21 Feb 2019, 19:08

                      @stromdiddily Exactly, I cannot understand why the breadcrumb is mandatory and not automatically deactivated for all indoor sports, like indoor cycling. It has discouraged me from creating custom sport modes, I still use the factory ones that have data fields I’m not interested in.

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                        A Former User @General_Witt
                        last edited by A Former User 21 Feb 2019, 19:25

                        @General_Witt said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                        @stromdiddily Exactly, I cannot understand why the breadcrumb is mandatory and not automatically deactivated for all indoor sports, like indoor cycling. It has discouraged me from creating custom sport modes, I still use the factory ones that have data fields I’m not interested in.

                        Yeah, the UX was clearly designed by someone who wasn’t a heavy user of previous models of Suunto watches and not an endurance athlete themselve.

                        I’d guess one reason is that breadcrumbs screen provides access to navigation features like compass and POIs, and even if your activity doesn’t normally use GPS it might still need navigation features. Second, there isn’t really a good distinction between indoor and outdoor sports in Spartan and S9. The GPS mode used to be a part of sport configuration in earlier models, and you could setup your sport with GPS off. But in latest models GPS mode is moved out from sport to battery mode, so in theory you can go to battery mode in any sport, even treadmill, and create a custom battery mode with GPS on. I think whether navigation is on by default should be a part of custom sport configuration - that would make sense. Similarly the default GPS mode should still be a part of sport customization, and that battery mode should come up by default when starting that sport mode.

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                          General_Witt @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                          last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 13:41

                          @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos Is the mandatory breadcrumb watchface in indoor sports acknowledged by the dev team as a bug? Will it be addressed some time in the future?

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                            Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @General_Witt
                            last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 13:55

                            @General_Witt is a bug

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                              Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
                              last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 13:56

                              @silentvoyager I might take the chance to introduce you to our UX that are endurance athletes. Eveyone has an opinion but these speculations in our forums I wont tolerate

                              In regards:

                              Yeah, the UX was clearly designed by someone who wasn’t a heavy user of previous models of Suunto watches and not an endurance athlete themselve.

                              Yellow card

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                                A Former User @Dimitrios Kanellopoulos
                                last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 15:33

                                @Dimitrios-Kanellopoulos said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                                @silentvoyager I might take the chance to introduce you to our UX that are endurance athletes. Eveyone has an opinion but these speculations in our forums I wont tolerate

                                In regards:

                                Yeah, the UX was clearly designed by someone who wasn’t a heavy user of previous models of Suunto watches and not an endurance athlete themselve.

                                Yellow card

                                OK, point taken. I apologize. I still think Ambit UX is more functional.

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                                  Dimitrios Kanellopoulos Community Manager @Guest
                                  last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 15:45

                                  @silentvoyager no problem its not about the apology it’s about keeping a fair spirit here.

                                  I do understand that the UX can be better, I dont argue…

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                                    Brad_Olwin Moderator @Guest
                                    last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 17:07

                                    @silentvoyager said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                                    @General_Witt said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                                    @stromdiddily Exactly, I cannot understand why the breadcrumb is mandatory and not automatically deactivated for all indoor sports, like indoor cycling. It has discouraged me from creating custom sport modes, I still use the factory ones that have data fields I’m not interested in.

                                    Yeah, the UX was clearly designed by someone who wasn’t a heavy user of previous models of Suunto watches and not an endurance athlete themselve.

                                    Hmmm. I did not design any of this but I am certainly an endurance athlete an like the UI a lot. The breadcrumb screen in custom indoor modes is a bug. I disagree with you on the rest

                                    Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                      A Former User @Brad_Olwin
                                      last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 20:02

                                      @Brad_Olwin said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                                      Hmmm. I did not design any of this but I am certainly an endurance athlete an like the UI a lot. The breadcrumb screen in custom indoor modes is a bug. I disagree with you on the rest

                                      It is OK to disagree, I agree to disagree. This new UX was designed with touch first in mind - everything is big and information density is generally low, for example often we see a screen with just one large number on it, and to see another number you have to swipe or touch the screen. But touch just doesn’t work well in outdoors environment when it may rain or your fingers may be frozen or sweaty, or dirty, or you may wear gloves. Suunto later recognized that and now disables touch by default during exercises, but the touch optimized UX remains. Second, because of the touch-first design only 3 hardware buttons remained, and all of them are pretty much reserved during an exercise - one for stop/resume, another for lap, and the middle one for changing through the screens. That makes it very difficult to implement any operations on the watch with just buttons beyond bare basics. There several workarounds in Spartan UX, but they are inconsistent. For example, context menu is usually invoked via the middle button long press, but on mandatory navigation screen - lower button is used. All those silly workaround to trigger backlight is another example. The lack of the “view” button makes it pretty much impossible to rotate through alternative views like changing navigation views without piling all possible navigation view in the main rotation of displays (that’s what Spartan UX does by adding route profile).

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                                        Brad_Olwin Moderator @Guest
                                        last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 21:10

                                        @silentvoyager said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                                        @Brad_Olwin said in S9 Baro Wishlist:

                                        Hmmm. I did not design any of this but I am certainly an endurance athlete an like the UI a lot. The breadcrumb screen in custom indoor modes is a bug. I disagree with you on the rest

                                        It is OK to disagree, I agree to disagree. This new UX was designed with touch first in mind - everything is big and information density is generally low, for example often we see a screen with just one large number on it, and to see another number you have to swipe or touch the screen. But touch just doesn’t work well in outdoors environment when it may rain or your fingers may be frozen or sweaty, or dirty, or you may wear gloves. Suunto later recognized that and now disables touch by default during exercises, but the touch optimized UX remains. Second, because of the touch-first design only 3 hardware buttons remained, and all of them are pretty much reserved during an exercise - one for stop/resume, another for lap, and the middle one for changing through the screens. That makes it very difficult to implement any operations on the watch with just buttons beyond bare basics. There several workarounds in Spartan UX, but they are inconsistent. For example, context menu is usually invoked via the middle button long press, but on mandatory navigation screen - lower button is used. All those silly workaround to trigger backlight is another example. The lack of the “view” button makes it pretty much impossible to rotate through alternative views like changing navigation views without piling all possible navigation view in the main rotation of displays (that’s what Spartan UX does by adding route profile).

                                        Yes we disagree. I never need more than 4 fields on a screen and often use 3. I can get by with 1 screen of 4 fields, the Nav screen and altitude profile when I run with routes, especially races. I typically will lock the screen. All I need now is for waypoints to work like they used to. I cannot reliably see more than 4 fields and the backlight works great at night when my screen is locked…I just don’t push a lot of buttons when running or SkiMo and love the UI.

                                        Vector/T6c/Ambit 3 Peak/S5 Copper/S3/S7 Ti/S9 baro Ti/S9P Ti/S9PP Ti/Vertical Ti/Race Ti/RaceS/Ocean/Wing

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                                          stromdiddily Gold Members @Brad_Olwin
                                          last edited by 22 Feb 2019, 22:09

                                          @Brad_Olwin derailing the thread a bit here but what data fields do you use for races?

                                          Always carry a flaggon of whiskey for snakebite; and furthermore, always carry a small snake.

                                          User of pretty much every watch since the Ambit 3 Peak. Now back in the family w SV :)

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